Peachtree Corners Life
Peachtree Corners Update: Deer Overpopulation, Simpsonwood Park & Illegal Nightclubs [Podcast]
In this episode of Peachtree Corners Life, host Rico Figliolini sits down with City Manager Brian Johnson to discuss pressing local issues, including deer overpopulation and potential culling efforts, a school digital signage request, and Simpsonwood park. They also dive into the latest legislation affecting impact of tort reform on city liability, annexation, and drone regulations. Plus, hear how the city’s marshals uncovered an illegal nightclub operating under the radar. Stay informed on the latest developments shaping Peachtree Corners. Listen now!
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Timestamped Topics:
00:04:09 – Deer Overpopulation and Potential Culling Efforts
00:14:41 – Digital Signage Regulations for Community Schools
00:20:00 – Navigating Lawsuits and Tort Reform
00:30:50 – Parking Lot Slope Adjustments and Liability Concerns
00:32:31 – Navigating Legislation Impacts on Construction and Annexation
00:38:33 – Regulating Drones in Public Spaces
00:44:24 – Uncovering an Illegal Nightclub Operation
00:51:37 – Discussing City Matters Behind the Scenes
Transcript:
00:00:00 – Rico Figliolini
Hi, everyone. This is Rico Figliolini, host of Peachtree Corners Life. I appreciate you joining us. We have Brian Johnson, city manager. Hey, Brian.
00:00:08 – Brian Johnson
Hey, Rico. How are you?
00:00:13 – Rico Figliolini
Good. Thanks for being with me. As usual, we’re going to be going through a bit of information about new things that we haven’t covered before. So there’s a lot of stuff going on in the city our size. Little things, big things, but everything needs attention. And everyone has an opinion. So it’s good to be able to go through this. Yeah, it’s good to go through this. But before we get there, let me just say thank you to EV Remodeling for being a sponsor of our show, as well as Vox Pop Uli, another company that is a tremendous supporter of ours as well. And you can find their information in the show notes below. But we thank them for supporting us. Both of them are businesses located here in the City of Peachtree Corners. One of them does remodeling from Design to Build, evremodelinginc.com. And the other one, voxpopuli.com, does anything that you need marketing, imprinting, object imprinting, from trade shows to vehicle wraps. Just, you know, just check them out. Links below. And if you’re watching this on YouTube or any of the other video channels like Facebook, subscribe to us. I appreciate that. So let’s get right down to it, Brian. I guess the first thing we talked about that would be on the list is something that my wife even was asking me about the other day. And I’ve had questions of it, and I’ve seen it. I mean, deer overpopulation in the city of Peachtree Corners, it’s not been like this for the longest time, I think. What are you hearing? What is allowed to be able to do? I know thinning of the herd is something that people talk about, but what is the reality of what can be done or can’t be done in a county park? Because that’s where a lot of them are.
00:02:10 – Brian Johnson
Yeah, so locally, so there’s a couple things to consider here is, you know, one, if you live anywhere in Peachtree Corners, really near the Chattahoochee River corridor, it is definitely as a protected corridor and serves really as a place for wildlife to go up and down because it’s a water source. And so, you know, a lot of people have seen deer in the past, but we have noticed that the city that we’ve had a lot more deer car interactions, if you will, in which the deer loses that battle and we end up getting a request to remove a deer. Which, you know, can also get complicated because some people have deer that die in their backyard way off the road and then they’ll call and say, can you pick it up? And we can’t go on to private property to do that because that’s, you know, a gratuity, if you will. But if it does get close to the right of way, we will take it. So, you know, even those aren’t even, you know, as cut and dry as we would like. But we have noticed that there’s been a lot more, you know, deer collisions with cars. And unbeknownst to us, but coincidentally at the same time, Gwinnett County asked the State Department of Natural Resources or State, you know, Game and Wildlife, one of the environmental, but I think it was DNR, to do a deer population study at Simpsonwood Park. And, you know, in Peachtree Corners, we have a couple of areas that are undeveloped that are even more, you know, of a great location for deer to, you know, stay around. The back of Neely Farm along the river has a big area for the residents. The back of Riverfield where the Fields Club has a really big area back there. The back of Waterside has an area along there. And then, you know, then you run into Jones Bridge Park and then a stretch where there’s not a lot of open area. And then you’ve got Simpsonwood Park. And so those areas are where a lot of deer are, you know, congregating. And so Gwinnett asked the state to do a study. The state came back and said that there is a significantly, you know, overpopulation of deer in the area. And they in turn asked, and then they provided the county with a lot of reasons why that’s not good. You know, everything from deer eating higher off the ground up, you know, onto the trees. You know, it’s got ecosystem effects, coyote attraction. Even, you know, the deer that are around, all of them aren’t as healthy as they could be. And there’s a lot of these second, third order effects. They laid out and said, hey, we do this elsewhere in the state, would like to be involved in, you know, deer overpopulation, you know, culling of the herd. And Gwinnett informed them that they can’t do it at Simpsonwood Park because the county has a policy of no hunting on county-owned property. So we didn’t know any of this was going on until then the state of Georgia approached us and said, hey, city, do you guys own any property that would be large enough for us to do, you know, set up a controlled hunt for the purposes of culling the herd? And we don’t specifically own any. You know, again, I ran through the organizations that really would be the ones that could say, yes, you could come out there or not. Neely Farm HOA, Waterside are the main ones. And so right now there is a conversation between us, the state, some of those entities of which we might end up being a facilitator of some sort. We obviously wouldn’t be doing it. It would be the state. It might be we’re merely making the introduction and then one of those property owners, if you will, says it’s okay and they coordinated with the state and we’re just communicating to the residents, could be.
00:06:55 – Rico Figliolini
It’s interesting that the county, I can understand that. I remember that rule about hunting on county property, which makes sense. You don’t want that happening. But this is a controlled thing. This is an environmental approach to something. This is something different than banning hunting because you don’t want people out there hunting. But this is something more controlled that the state would be doing, apparently. That doesn’t make sense to just say, well, we don’t allow hunting and that’s it. How many accidents, do you know how many accidents like that have occurred in the city? Are there any numbers?
00:07:32 – Brian Johnson
Oh, yeah, we have numbers. I mean, off the top of my head, I do not know. I would say within the last six months, we’re probably averaging probably one a week.
00:07:45 – Rico Figliolini
Wow, that many. Do you even know the number when they say overpopulation? How many deer are there out there that they’ve numbered in Simpsonwood? Do you know?
00:07:55 – Brian Johnson
I don’t. I didn’t see the report because, again, the only time we got involved is when the county told the state, hey, thanks for doing the study and confirming what we had already thought or what users of the park had told us. But if there’s anything that’s going to be done about it, it’s not going to be done on our property.
00:08:15 – Rico Figliolini
Yeah, that’s sad because the overpopulation, I mean, they don’t have a natural predator, right, unless coyotes show up. God knows coyotes have been reported, at least on Nextdoor with pictures and stuff, not too far from here. Like, you know, Alpharetta, some other places north of us.
00:08:34 – Brian Johnson
I just saw one, Rico, with my own eyes about a month ago when I was walking my dog, because, you know, I live along the river, and I saw one on an evening, you know, probably six. I mean, it was really near sundown, and I saw a coyote running right along the…
00:08:52 – Rico Figliolini
In Peachtree Corners? Wow. Okay.
00:08:52 – Brian Johnson
It was running away from me. It wasn’t, you know, bothering, but yeah. I mean, so now there’s some other things too. Now, you know, I know mayor and council have had people approach them about this. You know, it isn’t as easy as we would like, because for all the people who are like, look, deer are posing a problem for motorists, for the ecosystem, the health of deer, you know, things like that, attracting animals like coyotes or whatever. For all of those who are like, something needs to be done, there’s the other ones that are like, no, you know, let nature take its course. There shouldn’t be any hunting, you know.
00:09:46 – Rico Figliolini
That’s the problem. Nature is not taking its course because there are no predators here.
00:09:51 – Brian Johnson
Yeah, well, but I mean, you know, what you get is, and then we also struggle with deer feeders. We don’t currently actually have a regulation prohibiting them. Some people have expressed to council that that should, you know, that they know of locations in which somebody is specifically trying to attract deer. And when you have a lot of deer, you don’t just attract one or two anymore. Now you’re attracting, I know there was a place at Waterside that I ended up talking to the resident that was nearby and was doing it. I rolled through there one weekend morning, you know, right as the sun was coming up, and there was probably 30 to 40 deer in the area, and there was a big feeder. And, you know, it’s just like, hey, this isn’t, you know, this isn’t good. And it was not too far from East Jones Bridge. So you start getting into them crossing it. So, you know, but then others are like, I enjoy the deer coming and feeding at my location. And, you know, don’t take that away. And so, you know, it’s unfortunate, but, you know, in our line of work, you know, local government management, there’s never a decision that’s just easy with you know only one side and everybody is on it so you do have some who are like don’t do it. But that is a problem and you know I wanted to bring it up just because people are talking about it. What is going to be done? We are trying to facilitate again, we don’t own property that is an area that you could do a controlled hunt. There are a few organizations that are in that position that may end up agreeing with the state for them to come out and do it once or twice during hunting season type of thing. But it does appear that Simpsonwood Park is not going to be one of those locations. So we’ll do what we need to, including if we have to facilitate the removal of the meat, you know, because the controlled hunt doesn’t just stop with, you know, there’s a deer that’s gone down, then what are you going to do with the carcass? You want to remove it. There are programs, including ones that harvest the meat and donate it to food banks and things like that. So we’re working through all of those. But we do scientifically have a deer overpopulation problem that does not have a natural way of getting better.
00:12:34 – Rico Figliolini
This is just a good argument for the city to take off over two public parks in its city property here. So from what I understand, it wouldn’t be expensive either. It’d be really cheap to buy those two pieces of property. The city could directly control everything. But I’m sure there’ll be people against that also because that’s an expansion of government. Which, you know, if you want control over some things, then you’ve got to do what you got to do. But speaking about that, let’s segue into something else too, which is a small thing necessarily, but there’s pros and cons to it too, I guess. And that is that Simpson Elementary is looking to do the same thing as Pinckneyville, a middle school house, which is a sign. I don’t know if it’s as grand as that, but they want a digital display sign possibly to go up at Simpson Elementary. Can you tell us a little bit about that?
00:13:33 – Brian Johnson
Yeah, so the Simpson Elementary principal, and I don’t know if it was based on PTA encouragement or maybe the public school system maintenance, I don’t know. But anyway, she was the point person to say, hey, we would like to take our current main sign in which they put messages up there, but they have to go out and put the individual letters in and spell it out. She was like, we would like to have a digital, you know, turn it into an LED display, a digital message board. Which functionally is, you know, just on the surface is a, you know, should be a no brainer. A school can have a sign, communicate with the community in a more, you know, really a more efficient way because, you know, on a computer you can type in the message and it automatically goes out there. You can change the messages a lot so you can put a lot more information. It makes sense. But like all things, it’s not so simple. You know, oftentimes you think signs, you know, okay, just where’s the placement and, you know, does it interfere with sight lines or cause a hazard to a motorist? And that’s the only thing you have to consider. But on LED displays, a whole different ballgame when you’re talking about something that illuminates and illuminating signage in which also there’s flashing with the fluctuations of it because things change. So it’s not just turning on a static light and then turning it off, now you have all of the different, you know, displays doing things, which, you know, also can be a distraction to motorists. So, you know, we’ve got to, you know, we’re going to help them navigate through this, but we do have, it is in a residential area with residents that live very close to that sign. And, you know, we’re going to end up having to consider the permitting of this in a way that hopefully doesn’t detract from the quality of life of the residents, but yet provides the benefit that we all know a digital message board would provide to a very important community school.
00:16:05 – Rico Figliolini
Right. So, Paul Duke High School, STEM High School has a digital sign, granted that’s on Peachtree Industrial Boulevard. Pinckneyville has their sign. And I get it. It’s kind of bright sometimes when there’s a white background to the sign versus a blue or a different color background that is way brighter. The lumens on it, it’s just so bright. I’m imagining those things can be toned down a little bit in a sign, and it doesn’t have to be as bright as that because that’s overpowering sometimes. It just depends when you come by.
00:16:42 – Brian Johnson
And, you know, this whole process went through with Pinckneyville Middle, and it wasn’t without its detractors either of the people who do live there. You know, and say that it’s going to interfere with their ability to either, you know, enjoy their back or front yard or, you know, could be a distraction to motorists. Those are things you have to consider. It can be done, you know, but you have to regulate, you know, also hours of operation. And there’s even regulation at the state and federal level on certain roadways in which how fast the signs can change. Because if things start to get to where it’s not just a transition to a new message, but things are flashing, that creates, you know, distractions from motorists and that’s considered a driving hazard. So yes, everything from how bright to how quick you can change message, to even hours in which you can have digital messages on there. All have to be discussed.
00:17:49 – Rico Figliolini
And if it’s, you know, for the school purpose, right? I mean, the great thing about digital is that you can dim the lights a little bit. You can adjust the hours on it because no one’s going to be driving to school at six o ‘clock, seven o ‘clock in the evening, unless there’s an event that night. Different, right? But even still, like at a certain hour, it can be shut off or it can be dimmed down where you have to literally be within 40 feet of it to see the sign maybe.
00:18:41 – Brian Johnson
So at the end of the day, look, I think everyone would agree having that ability, a school that’s a very important community school and being able to, it’s going to make them much more productive and efficient when it comes to communicating with the community.
00:19:01 – Rico Figliolini
Right, right.
00:19:01 – Brian Johnson
We just have to navigate this very carefully. But that process is being done. And, of course, mayor and council are very supportive of this as long as we, you know, my directive is navigate the minefield that is the local resident concerns and, you know, motorist safety.
00:19:22 – Rico Figliolini
The good part of this is that these are quality of life issues that a city can address better for its residents than a county can, I think, on a county level. One good reason for having a city is to be able to address some of these issues that, you know, really on a county level, someone voting on it from the other side of the county or something, deciding what the effects are in our city wouldn’t make sense, right? There is also, let’s, the capital is in session. Which can always be dangerous, but also good.
00:19:58 – Brian Johnson
It is always dangerous.
00:20:04 – Rico Figliolini
You never know what goes on there. And the cities that, not just people are affected, but cities are affected, right? The biggest thing is tort reform right now that Governor Kemp is looking at. Southwest Gwinnett Chamber had a big talk on tort reform recently, a few months back. And one of the things I didn’t know was that settlement of lawsuits can garner a lawyer as much as 40% of whatever is settled for. It’s not 20%, it’s not 25%, it’s like 40%. I thought that was ridiculous, that number. Not only that, but when you’re suing, some lawyer told me once that when you’re suing something on a case, you sue everyone. It doesn’t matter if you think they’re not involved, they’re involved. You sue everyone and let the judge decide who’s involved or not. Which draws in a lot of different people, right? So the city can be drawn into lawsuits that really may not be, you know, their fault per se. You know, and I always think about lawsuits as a good way of punishing those that need to be punished a little bit because money speaks, right? But sometimes it can be carried away to a crazy extent. You were sharing an example with me about Milton. So why don’t you talk about that a little bit and talk about that and about what that tort reform might look like for us.
00:21:28 – Brian Johnson
Yeah. So, you know, scenarios you just brought up, Rico, are very common for us. We get named in a lot of lawsuits. We have active, you know, local governments always have a multitude of active lawsuits at any one time at various stages of it. And yes, the shotgun approach of suing everybody and then just letting the judge figure it out is one where if it happens within our corporate limits, we’re more times than not just pulled into it. But, you know, again, the ability to sue and having legal rights and, you know, remedies is important to have.
00:22:13 – Rico Figliolini
For sure.
00:22:13 – Brian Johnson
So, you know, the dilemma is always where do you balance that against, you know, being overly litigious as many people are? And, and, you know, I could tell you horror stories of the trip and fall lawsuits we get where somebody literally just trips on, you know, the world is not flat literally or figuratively and they’ll sue us just because. Now that being said, we do have a large, call it, you know, geographical area in which we are responsible. All the public right of way. Sidewalks, streets, all of the property we own at City Hall or Town Green are all ours. And so, you know, there is some things that, you know, general liability insurance we have to carry because there are things that can happen that we do need to be protected. Now, there’s an interesting case, though, that just came up that contributed to the governor’s tort reform. That is a big case that the city of Milton had. And it was, I guess, a jury verdict not too long ago. And this is a case where before the city of Milton was created, when it was still unincorporated, was it Fulton?
00:23:47 – Brian Johnson
Right.
00:23:48 – Brian Johnson
An owner who had a driveway coming out to one of the public streets put a planter, which was a truck tire, turned on its side and filled in with dirt and made into a decorative kind of, you know, gateway piece to their driveway. It was laid, though, in what was the edge, but the public right-of-way. It still was on, kind of call it the shoulder of the road, if you will. This is a two-lane road. Well, then at some point, not too long ago, a couple years, I think, but now the City of Milton is a city, there was an individual college student who lost control of his vehicle, single vehicle accident, but hit this planter and died. I don’t know if it was the impact or his phone from the vehicle, but he died. His family sued the city of Milton, saying the city of Milton should not have let that planter be in its right of way. And prior to that, cities and counties had always been like, look, we’re regulating the travel way making sure that it’s free of obstacles, but there are impediments in the shoulder. Probably the most common one are utility poles. Georgia Power, using them as an example, is not going to want to negotiate with every single property owner to put a utility pole on their property. So what do they do? They come just inside of public right-of-way. Place it as far away from the road as they can, but it is still in public right of way. And that way they only have to negotiate with essentially one entity, a public entity that owns this stretch of. So now the lawsuit, Milton through sovereign immunity and other stuff, won the first one. And then on appeal, the family was awarded a $38 million verdict. And right now there’s, it’s being hopefully taken up by the Georgia Supreme Court because of the, you know, bigger picture impacts that this could have on any impediment in the right of way that then the city should be of, you know, should have knowledge of. And we’ve got to remove it or else we’re going to be, you know, at risk for being, you know, liable for some lawsuit. So it’s an example where, you know, again, sometimes being overly litigious ends up creating, you know, situations. And if this appeal stood, cities and counties would end up having to take a real hard look at what it permits, how it permits it, not just along the roadway, but I mean, way out of the roadway all the way to the edge of it. And then Georgia power is going to, you know, and some other utilities, you know, you have traffic cabinets and traffic signals, you know, you see the green boxes there or whatever color they are, but you know, the boxes there that are regulating the signal phase and timing of a signalized intersection. If somebody hits that. We have to bury every single one of those, which will.
00:27:18 – Rico Figliolini
But even the poles, I mean, I think there’s a pole by Peachtree Baptist Church, that intersection in the Y. It was a pole in the middle of a triangle thing, I think, at one point. I don’t know if it’s still there. But it was knocked down once. I mean, there’s plenty of those types of things where cars get out of control for whatever reason. They go slamming into a pole. It’s like one of those walk-flashing.
00:27:44 – Brian Johnson
Yeah, it was from, yeah. A pedestrian actuated crossing where you hit it and it flashes. Yeah.
00:27:49 – Rico Figliolini
Yeah. So, I mean, there’s that. I remember even along the median, like Peachtree Parkway, I think at one point someone had told me that they don’t do hardwood trees anymore. They do what they call breakaway trees. Because if a car hits it, it should break away and not cause too much damage, right? But if you’re hitting a hard oak wood tree, that person’s going to die. Now, these things will happen anyway. There was an accident on Peachtree Parkway going south. I remember seeing a car. It pretty much, it was crepe myrtle trees. So those are considered breakaway, I guess. It had jumped the sidewalk and went right into that tree. It was burning. There was some, I think there might have been a fatality, certainly injuries there. That was during last summer, I think it was. These things happen all the time. But if they’re taking up tort reform, I would hope that they’re not just looking at the reward amount, because $38 million, I mean, that just seems to be overly blown. But how do you value a life? But $38 million is just for a city, for something like that. Hopefully they adjust. I know it doesn’t affect the city, but the outcome of payment to lawyers, they should really restrict the amount of money being paid out to lawyers. Is that $38 million? Without doubt is at least 30% of that is going to the lawyer, to the law firm that’s suing, which will be interesting about tort reform because apparently most of the house, most of the capital is made up of lawyers or consultants. So it’d be interesting if they actually do anything.
00:29:30 – Brian Johnson
And, you know, again, they serve a purpose, but, you know, we have had, I’ve had this in other cities I’ve managed too, an attorney will get with somebody who’s usually, has a disability that requires them to be in a wheelchair. And they’ll really, it’s not done right. It’s essentially they’ll conspire. By that, I mean, the person in a wheelchair will seek out instances in which a local government is not meeting code to the, you know, exact letter. And then they’ll, the attorney will reach out on behalf of his or her client and say, you’re in, you know, violation of American with Disabilities Act. And if you don’t do something within a certain period of time, we’re going to sue. And so then, you know, you got, now again, ADA exists for a legitimate reason.
00:30:28 – Rico Figliolini
Absolutely.
00:30:29 – Brian Johnson
And, you know, all that kind of stuff. But, you know, these would be people who I remember one of them, we had a parking lot that had the handicap spot, and then you have that hatched area next to it so that you could load a wheelchair. The slope of the parking lot was two degrees off the, you know, and required us to dig up a whole section of it just to move it two degrees.
00:30:57 – Rico Figliolini
Yeah. Interesting. There’s, I think, Target and Publix redid their handicap and adjusted it. Way different than it used to be before, probably for some of the same reasons, the elevation issue and stuff. And I know the Town Green part where the Fort of Payne.
00:31:18 – Brian Johnson
Fort Payne, yeah.
00:31:20 – Rico Figliolini
Fort Payne. Fort of Payne. Fort Payne. The fencing had to go around there allows one entrance. Now there’s signage there saying, if you allow your kids in here or whoever comes in here, needs to understand that you could get hurt if you’re not, you know, doing it the right way. And the insurance company had told us, right? Had told the city that.
00:31:44 – Brian Johnson
Yeah. I mean, it was like, look, you have created an obstacle course. And it’s an advanced, it has advanced stuff. You can’t be letting, you can’t have it unsecure. So we have only one entrance. And then, you know, if you’re not with you know, a parent or over 18 years old yourself, you’re not supposed to be in there. And so if you just ignore it and get hurt, then our insurance feels like we’re, you know, we’ve mitigated our risk because we, you know, told them, hey, you know, you’re not supposed to be here without, you know, we also have instructional videos on how to do these things that you can use and everything we can do. But there’s still some people who will do it. I mean, again, we live in a litigious society. We all get it, but there are some things that we got to be careful. In this case, and obviously the city of Milton case isn’t ours, but it will impact us greatly if it is upheld.
00:32:45 – Rico Figliolini
Sure. Like a lot of legislation that goes on there that affects cities, construction material, what things can be built with, whether it’s steel or wood. And if it’s over, I mean, I remember that was a piece of legislation at one point. I think one city had that you couldn’t build something taller than three stories without using steel or metal. And that was struck down apparently.
00:33:07 – Brian Johnson
It was because the, you know, timber lobby in the state, like Georgia Pacific was like, no, no, no, no, we don’t want, we want to still be able to use wood, you know, up to, I think you can go up to four, two, four stories with wood before you have to go to steel.
00:33:27 – Rico Figliolini
Why build something that can last for 100 years?
00:33:33 – Brian Johnson
Right. And, you know, there’s even some, I mean, this session, you know, right now, procurement law in Georgia is if a project exceeds $100,000, you have to bid it no matter what. And it hasn’t been changed since 2000. And we’ve had inflation since 2000. It’s really hard for us to find projects that are less than $100,000 that are any. And so it just slows things up because then you’ve got to bid it out and you have to, you have to award it to the lowest qualified bidder. And so you run into, you know, problems sometimes where companies are underbidding to get the job with the knowledge you’re not going to be able to finish it with that amount. So they try to change order you to death.
00:34:22 – Rico Figliolini
Yes. Yes.
00:34:24 – Brian Johnson
So legislation, just real quick, is to raise that value to $250,000 before you have to bid.
00:34:31 – Rico Figliolini
That makes sense. Because I’ve seen projects where they do come in and low bid, and then you’re sort of forced to pay the rest of it because you need it done. It’s not like it goes from scratch again. We’ll hold them to it, too, because even with a bond or something, it’s just not going to happen. Some of the other legislation, I think another piece was about annexation. So in brief, how would that affect us?
00:34:56 – Brian Johnson
Yeah, so there’s still things happening at the Capitol that are removing a city’s ability to annex an area in which the people who live in that area or own property in that area want to get annexed into the city, that other parties could stop them. There’s legislation making it to where counties or in Georgia, potentially almost could get to the point where they could stop an annexation, which, you know, in a state that allows counties to charge a millage rate just to the unincorporated. In Georgia, that usually means that the county will lose a little bit of money when they lose property because they lose the ability to charge property tax to that entity. So counties are resistant. So that’s inhibiting cities to do it. Even the Gwinnett delegation themselves, you know, which are the legislators that represent a district that has some part of Gwinnett in it. They’re discussing having a rule that’s setting the Gwinnett delegation rule such that if there’s an annexation bill, you know, almost like if, say, the city of Peachtree Corners wanted to allow a area contiguous to us to vote on whether they wanted to command, say, a subdivision or something like that, that everybody in the delegation has to vote on having it move forward, not just the ones that represent the areas of affected. So, you know, we could have a legislator that barely represents Gwinnett up in, like, Brazelton or unincorporated area, and the county gets with them and they’re like, we don’t want this to happen. We’ll lose a little bit of money. And then they’re like, yeah, I don’t want it to happen.
00:36:47 – Rico Figliolini
Yeah, that’s because of the trend of all these places like Mulberry, right? That’s the newest city in Gwinnett County. It’s the trend of all these cities coming into being, chopping away a little bit at that county budget. And now the county has to fight for the budget that they need. Although they have less area to cover, except for the emergency services.
00:37:14 – Brian Johnson
They do. But remember, they’re only losing a revenue stream, in this case a millage that’s charged only to unincorporated. And that’s their own doing. Like in other states that don’t allow that, say in North Carolina. Counties in North Carolina can only charge one type of tax, and that’s a property tax to everybody in the county. It’s one. They can’t then create special, you know, you know, focus taxes that only go to unincorporated. You know, in Gwinnett, Gwinnett has a countywide tax that even you and I who live in Peachtree Corners pay. And that’s for the countywide services like the courthouse, the jail, the health department. But then they charge very specific taxes just to the unincorporated area. Parks and Rec, police, you know, code enforcement, zoning administration.
00:38:15 – Rico Figliolini
That’s interesting
00:38:17 – Brian Johnson
They don’t have to do that. They chose to, oh, we’re going to. So it’s a little bit of a self-inflicted.
00:38:24 – Rico Figliolini
So the county charges for parks to the unincorporated. But we have parks here in the city. But we’re not paying for that fee.
00:38:33 – Brian Johnson
No, we’re paying. You’re paying for it.
00:38:36 – Rico Figliolini
Okay, we are paying for that.
00:38:37 – Brian Johnson
Just like police, we allowed, once we became a city, we allowed Gwinnett to keep charging that in our city limits in return for them continuing to operate the parks.
00:38:49 – Rico Figliolini
Okay. Alright. Yeah, so we should probably buy those parks and just take over the whole system.
00:38:55 – Brian Johnson
Take over the millage.
00:38:58 – Rico Figliolini
All right, so drone, drone regulation. I think you mentioned there was drone regulation. I know a lot of people that fly drones around here. And certainly there are roofing companies that will do the drone thing and check your roof and stuff and show you where the damage is and stuff like that. Building inspectors do that to some degree. So there’s also, and people, just individuals going around to Town Green and doing his own drone. And so there’s legislation up maybe, right? And part of that is probably because of all the drone stuff and the unidentified UAPs up in New Jersey that everyone went crazy on, whether it was Chinese or Americans. And now we understand the FAA allowed some of that to go on. It’s like one of the things that just came out. But who knows, right? Could it be aliens? Could it be foreign governments or our own? I mean, there’s so many conspiracy theories that we’re tracking nuclear weapon transportation into different places. And it’s just like, you could go crazy. So what’s going on with the drone legislation here in Georgia?
00:40:05 – Brian Johnson
Yeah, so this actually isn’t bad. Although, by the way, you know, you laugh about it could be anything, which in a lot of cases, you’re like, really? But you do have to give some of those like, you know, tin hat, you know, tinfoil hat crowd, some a little bit of, you know, latitude, because we did have a, what is it? What do they call it? Stratospheric.
00:40:32 – Rico Figliolini
Yes. Those balloons. Yeah. Yeah.
00:40:34 – Brian Johnson
You know, I mean, so there are some unique things.
00:40:38 – Rico Figliolini
Yeah. And that one was very unique. That was a huge one from China.
00:40:41 – Brian Johnson
It was in the stratosphere purposely, you know, going across.
00:40:46 – Rico Figliolini
And they have solar panels too. They were powering with solar panels too. So it was like a whole big thing. Yeah.
00:40:53 – Brian Johnson
I mean, so, but in this case. Yes, there was a Georgia legislator who, with the whole thing that was happening up in the coast of New Jersey and everything, was like, we should give local governments better ability to control unidentified aerial vehicles. And so in this case, the bill is allowing the local government to regulate drones below 400 feet.
00:41:26 – Rico Figliolini
Well because the FAA takes care of drones of a certain weight and higher, where if you have a large drone, you have to actually get a number for that drone.
00:41:36 – Brian Johnson
And have a FAA license, a pilot.
00:41:40 – Rico Figliolini
You have to actually take a course. Correct. So me as a commercial, let’s say I wanted to fly my own drone as a business because I’m going to shoot drone shots. I want to use it for the magazine and stuff. I actually have to be licensed or use someone that’s licensed to do that.
00:41:41 – Brian Johnson
You do. And for our concerts, you know, we use a third party, you know, firm to shoot video of it. And you’ve seen some of the video we’ve had on that. The drone operator who does the filming for it, he has a license and he has to get a permit from the FAA to be able to fly it.
00:42:18 – Rico Figliolini
But only because I think it’s by the FAA does it by weight versus by height. There is a height.
00:42:24 – Brian Johnson
There is a height.
00:42:26 – Rico Figliolini
But it does buy weight versus, because most of the stuff that a person like you and me would buy is under that weight requirement. But you’re saying that that legislation would then cover even those drones?
00:42:40 – Brian Johnson
Only if they’re going to be over public spaces in which there’s a public gathering, which I believe they define it as 50 people or more that are, that plan to be around each other for more than 30 minutes. And so that would be where, alright, now we don’t want there to be unidentified drone activity. That is where you get into, because even for our concerts, Rico, even below a certain height, the FAA regulates it because there’s so many people.
00:43:16 – Rico Figliolini
Right. But if I was, and I’ve seen, lots of photographers do drones also because it’s part of that thing. They’ll go along the river, which is, it wouldn’t be a part, it’s both a public place, but there’s no people there maybe, or there are not enough people like you’re saying. So that’s a reasonable thing, I guess. That’s not covered by that probably.
00:43:37 – Brian Johnson
No, I mean, I think this is really more of public space where there’s a gathering of the public of more than, I think it was 50 people who are planning on being there for more than 30 minutes. Then, and only then would the local government be in a position to say you still need to identify who you are if you’re going to be flying below 400 feet. You’re still, above 400 feet is still out of our control.
00:44:05 – Rico Figliolini
So if it’s a private party, party in someone’s backyard and they have a drone, they want to fly it up and, you know, do that. That’s okay.
00:44:14 – Brian Johnson
That wouldn’t be because that wouldn’t be on public property.
00:44:16 – Rico Figliolini
Right. Okay. Alright. I guess that all makes sense.
00:44:21 – Brian Johnson
And again, trust me, this wasn’t our legislation. I’m just telling you the unique things. I mean, every day as I’m going through the bills that hit, you know, just to see our lobbyist is giving me, you know, a heads up on, hey, how does this affect you? I oftentimes have to tell them, hey, this wouldn’t be good. So you’re in a position to tell a legislator or the bill’s author in some cases to say, hey, can you tweak it? Whatever. We’ve had to have bills tweaked that would have inhibited our ability to have innovation get tested here in Curiosity Lab because it was a prohibition against certain activity across all sidewalks. And we were like, time out. We need to have the, you know, so we’ve had Curiosity Lab carved out of legislation before. We’ve had the bill language get tweaked before, and we’ve certainly done things to completely help a bill to its demise because it would have been harmful to us. In some cases, just us, or other cases, just all cities.
00:45:37 – Rico Figliolini
Interesting.
00:45:37 – Brian Johnson
It’s a dangerous time.
00:45:39 – Rico Figliolini
Yeah, so many aspects of governing a city and what you all have to do. There is some good stuff, though, too. So let’s celebrate something as well that the sheriff department, I mean, the marshal department, sorry, sheriff marshal. The marshals did find some interesting illegal things going on in the City of Peachtree Corners.
00:46:05 – Brian Johnson
Yeah, so this is a good story that does reflect the fact that when you’re able to have more time, resources, and intimate knowledge of an area, you can oftentimes uncover things that you couldn’t or you’re not in that position. Our marshals were able to uncover what was, and I believe they only had operated it one or two times before he got involved, but an illegal nightclub. That was operating essentially like speakeasies used to operate back in the day, which is they found a location. I don’t want to get into the exact location right now because it’s, citations have been issued, but it hasn’t actually been, you know.
00:47:03 – Rico Figliolini
Because it was a commercial?
00:47:04 – Brian Johnson
Yeah, in municipal court. But found a location in which they could have a retail storefront. But then the storefront was very, call it shallow and small. And then there was a door both through the back of that and a side door in which, you know, two thirds of this lease space was actually an illegal nightclub, hookah lounge, you name it. But had not gotten anything permitted. They didn’t have plans that reflected this, so they were in violation of a building permit. They hadn’t filed for a business license. They didn’t have a license to serve alcohol, so the state’s Department of Revenue was involved. And they also, the fire code had been limited to like 60 people based on the square footage, and they were having 200 plus people, And our marshal’s intelligence, you know, network was able to then uncover the underground, you know, call it, you know, marketing that this place was doing and they were running a full on club. You know, like a black market club. And had it not been for the marshal’s ability to, you know, dig into this, you know, they probably would have kept going. And, you know, oftentimes the other and there’s no houses near this. So you didn’t have that aspect that could have come up. But the danger of these kind of clubs, whether they’re the ones that move around periodically or the ones that try to keep, you know, keep it quiet are there’s a reason that they’re trying to keep it quiet. These types of clubs generally have people that enjoy them. Well, at least maybe not a majority of them, but there are people that only like to go to clubs that are kind of secret because they’re wanting to do things that the law doesn’t allow them to. And oftentimes can end up in violence and other criminal activity. We may have averted that happening at this one. But, you know, why it was significant is there was a lot of money. This is not a open a door and then there’s this big room with some tables and chairs. This is a full-on outfitted, like remodeled nightclub. That was operating like a, in fact, the name of it was The Secret Lounge.
00:49:50 – Rico Figliolini
Amazing.
00:49:51 – Brian Johnson
And so, you know, kudos to them. There’s from the city attorney, you know, Gwinnett County PD was, supported this effort. But, you know, it was our marshal, led by our marshals, identified by our marshals. And, you know, the city was able to keep it from, you know, continuing to operate. So there are good things. We may have averted a disaster here.
00:50:16 – Rico Figliolini
Yeah, it’s great that they’re doing a lot of good work out there. And all the technology that’s coming in, I mean, that certainly helps too.
00:50:26 – Brian Johnson
And, you know, and Rico, you’re talking about drones. We put up a drone to look at the traffic migration in this area to kind of help build our case, our evidence against the owner. Because we didn’t want the owner to be like, you know, what are you talking about? Or I haven’t had anybody come over here yet.
00:50:51 – Rico Figliolini
Right.
00:50:51 – Brian Johnson
So our marshals continue to use drones as a, you know, very effective law enforcement tool. So they definitely have their place.
00:51:01 – Rico Figliolini
No, for sure. And I’ve listened to some of the stuff that some of the products and tools of the trade, if you will, that they’ve investigated. Some really cutting edge stuff. So it’s all good. I think the city certainly gains by that. So you all, you know, I mean, listen, you all do a good job out there. Well, we’ve come to the end of our time. We’ve covered quite a bit. So Brian, I appreciate you doing this with me.
00:51:31 – Brian Johnson
Always my pleasure. Appreciate you providing this communication vehicle for, you know, those who listen and watch can learn about some things that aren’t necessarily always, we’re not necessarily always able to include in things like city council meetings or whatever, because this is kind of the, you know, the day-to-day type of thing that, you know, oftentimes people don’t realize goes on behind the scenes here. So I appreciate you letting, you know, our citizens have this opportunity to hear what is going on behind the scenes.
00:52:07 – Rico Figliolini
Absolutely. Love doing this. I love getting the word out. I don’t always agree with everything that goes on. But the good part is that we can talk back and forth about this and get out, you know, the facts and ask questions because I don’t know everything. So I’d like to ask lots of questions, doing this stuff. So I appreciate you doing this. Everyone else, certainly, you know, subscribe, like the page. You’ll get notified when we have more podcasts. We try to do this on a regular basis, like every month or every five weeks. Usually after a city council meeting, this way we could discuss what just happened, let’s say Tuesday of this week or the sessions like that’s going on in the capitol. So if you have questions, let me know. If you have questions for Brian, he can be reached at the city. Obviously, go to the website, PeachtreeCornersGA.gov, and you can find a way to reach that. Or put your questions in the comments. If you’re on Facebook listening to this, or X, or YouTube, our YouTube channel. And if you’re getting this off Apple or any of the other podcasts, just reach out to Peachtree Corners Magazine, Peachtree Corners Life, and we’ll answer those questions. Again, thank you for our sponsors, EV Remodeling, Inc. and Vox Populi. You’ll find their information in the show notes. So thanks again, everyone. Appreciate you being with us.
Arts & Literature
From Food Creations to Handmade Jewelry: Wesleyan Kids Prep for Artist Market 2025 [Podcast]
In this episode of Peachtree Corners Life, host Rico Figliolini spotlights three remarkable student artists featured in this year’s Wesleyan Artist Market. Eighth graders Kimberly Wang and Nika Jensen, along with sixth grader Carter Jensen, share their creative journeys—ranging from edible art like fruit jellies and peppermint bark to handmade jewelry and custom-designed bags.
Kimberly talks about her love for food art and balancing sweetness with fruity freshness, while Nika and Carter discuss building a jewelry business that also gives back—donating proceeds to families in the Philippines. This isn’t just an artist market; it’s a showcase of purpose-driven, globally inspired young talent. The event runs April 25–26 at Wesleyan School and is open to the public.
Podcast Takeaways:
- Kimberly Wang creates handmade edible treats, balancing flavor and freshness for the show.
- Nika and Carter Jensen co-run a jewelry and fashion accessory business, inspired by global travel and cultural experiences.
- Nika donates part of her proceeds to support families in the Philippines.
- All three students are deeply involved in extracurriculars—from musicals, marching band, math club, and academic bowl.
- The Wesleyan Artist Market features 24 student artists and over 70 professionals—open to the public April 25–26.
Timestamp:
00:02:19 – Student intros and extracurriculars
00:03:06 – First-time participants and motivations for joining
00:04:13 – Kimberly’s edible art and recipe testing process
00:05:16 – Nika and Carter’s jewelry and bag design business
00:07:06 – The reward of watching people enjoy your creations
00:08:20 – Donating art profits to support families in the Philippines
00:10:39 – Future aspirations in medicine and law, with art as a passion
00:12:06 – Behind-the-scenes logistics of preparing for the market
00:13:25 – Global travel inspiration: 73 countries and counting
00:17:19 – Where the students draw artistic inspiration
00:20:04 – Custom requests: From peppermint bark to Lego earrings
00:21:16 – Anticipation and excitement for this year’s market
00:22:29 – Reflections on Wesleyan and the artist experience
Transcript:
00:00:01 – Rico Figliolini
Hey, everyone. This is Rico Figliolini, host of Peachtree Corners Life. We have a great set of guests today. Because of the upcoming Wesleyan Artist Market, we thought we’d do some interviews with student artists. Three of the 24 that are going to be at Wesleyan Artist Market. So they’re with me here today. So we’re going to get right into that shortly. I just want to say thank you to our corporate sponsors. So I want to say thank you to EV Remodeling, Inc., based here in Peachtree Corners. The owner is Eli. Him and his family live here. They’re great. They do a lot of design work, design your space. Essentially, any home remodeling you need from whether it’s your kitchen, your bathroom, or a whole house remodel, or even an addition to your home, think about it, whatever you need, Eli can handle. So check them out. Go to evremodelinginc.com and find out how they can design your space and your life. Our next sponsor just came on, and they’re Vox Pop Uli. I want to thank them for joining us as well. They deal with all sorts of things you can imagine putting your logo on, similar to a little bit about what these kids do, right? They’re creating artwork. They’re creating a brand for themselves. And so this is what Vox Pop Uli does, right? They’ll take your brand and bring it to life. Essentially, anything that you can think of that would go on apparel, whether it’s sweaters or T-shirts or wherever you want to put your brand engraving, your logo, what object you want to put it on, even vehicle wraps. So if you’ve got a truck, you want to put a whole wrap around it, check them out because they can do that. They’re here in Peachtree Corners and they’re called Vox Pop Uli. So visit their website. I’ll have the links in the show notes as well. So thank you guys. I appreciate your support. So now let’s get right into it. Let me introduce our three artists, great Wesleyan students. Can’t wait to start talking to them. We have Kimberly Wang first on your left, on my left, and Nika and her brother Carter Jensen, who work together creating the artwork they do. So I’m going to ask you guys just to, you know, give me a little background. Tell me who you are, your grade, what you do, extracurricular, stuff like that. This way our audience can get to know a little bit more about you. So let’s start with Kimberly Wang. Hey, Kimberly.
00:02:19 – Kimberly Wang
My name is Kimberly Wang. I’m in eighth grade this year, and outside of Artist Market, I do marching band, and I also do the musical production this year, which is Matilda.
00:02:31 – Rico Figliolini
Excellent. What about Nika? How about you?
00:02:34 – Nika Jensen
I’m also in eighth grade. My name is Nika Jensen, and apart from doing the Artist Market, I do cross country. I’m also in Matilda this year, and I also do math counts, which is a math club.
00:02:47 – Rico Figliolini
Okay, cool. And Carter?
00:02:49 – Carter Jensen
Hello, my name is Carter Jensen. I’m in the sixth grade. And outside of the artist market, I do academic pool and I also do basketball.
00:03:00 – Rico Figliolini
Excellent. Alright, cool. So have you guys ever done the artist market before? Is this the first time?
00:03:06 – Kimberly Wang
This is my second year doing it this year.
00:03:08 – Rico Figliolini
Second?
00:03:10 – Nika Jensen
Yeah, this is our first year because we’re new students this year.
00:03:13 – Rico Figliolini
Alright, cool. What inspired you to get into it, Nika?
00:03:17 – Kimberly Wang
Well, I had my own business before we came to Wesleyan and so I thought that the artist market is a good way to like show my business to other people in our community. So yeah.
00:03:30 – Rico Figliolini
And you brought in your brother Carter to help you with?
00:03:35 – Nika Jensen
Yes, sir. He’s also part of the business.
00:03:39 – Rico Figliolini
Alright cool. Okay so, Kimberly. Food. Food is art, right? I’m sure your mom would probably say, it’s food, just eat it. But you’re playing with your food, essentially. What they used to tell you not to do, right? So when you create your food art, what do you think about? How do you go through this? How do you choose what you do and what do you exactly do?
00:04:13 – Kimberly Wang
So this year, I am making fruit jellies and peppermint bark. And when I think about what creations I want to make for the artist market, I go online and I look through like, what are some popular desserts that a lot of people like? And once I like choose my items, then I go through
the recipe and then I do a lot of trial and errors to make sure that like the products are like healthy and they taste well.
00:04:42 – Rico Figliolini
So they have to be edible, right? Because this is edible art?
00:04:45 – Kimberly Wang
Definitely, yes.
00:04:46 – Rico Figliolini
So are you eating a lot of the edible art before you get to what you need?
00:04:50 – Kimberly Wang
Not really. I don’t usually taste a lot of the food. I let my family taste it.
00:04:56 – Rico Figliolini
Ah, good. I like that. Yes. Get them to participate. Cool. So edible art, that’s one way of doing it. Jewelry, that’s something else, right? Wearable. How do you guys, Nika, Carter, how do you get to the place of what you do?
00:05:16 – Nika Jensen
So I started my business when I was 11 years old and it started like I got my first jewelry making kit and I kind of just expanded from there. So like I usually use Amazon to search and find like the prettiest designs like of earrings and pendants and get opinions from other people like my mom and my family to see like if they think it’s like wearable and if they like it. So I browse on Amazon for a while and I find like the best and high quality products and then I hand make them at home usually like every day after I come home from school so and my brother he does something else and he can tell you about that.
00:06:01 – Carter Jensen
I, my sister, she got a Cricut machine for, like, her 12th birthday, I think. And started making these, like, iron-on bags with the Cricut machine and, like, making them based on, like, Georgia and, like, Wesleyan and designing it based on fashion.
00:06:19 – Rico Figliolini
Alright. Cool. So let’s get back to Kimberly. The food that you do. Do you have particular flavors you like? Do you have particular areas that you stay in?
00:06:33 – Kimberly Wang
So this year I’m trying out like something more sweet with chocolate. But last year I definitely went for more of like the fruity side. And I think I like to keep it like a balance. So that way one is not overpowering the other. My personal favorite will probably be fruit because it’s healthy. And I mean, it just tastes good in general.
00:06:56 – Rico Figliolini
Okay. Alright cool. What’s the most rewarding part that you can think of, of making edible art?
00:07:06 – Kimberly Wang
Well, I mean definitely like you said before you get to eat a lot of food. I mean, I did say before that I don’t eat a lot of the creations I make, but sometimes I still do eat it. And so I think it’s also really rewarding to see like people try out your creations and see like their reactions to what they think of it.
00:07:27 – Rico Figliolini
So when, I know I’ve spoken to other artists when they sell their artwork like paintings or stuff like that they get a chance to see it sometimes when the fan that bought it if you will, would send them a picture of where they hung it right? Yours disappears right?
00:07:45 – Kimberly Wang
Yeah, exactly.
00:07:47 – Rico Figliolini
Yeah I guess, there’s no way to, short of doing a selfie with it or taking pictures of it, there’s no there’s no permanency to it so how does that feel?
00:07:57 – Kimberly Wang
I mean well as long as the people enjoy it that’s good. And I mean I think mainly it’s about like the memory that you have of having the food and if you like it then it stays as a good memory for you and if you don’t then I mean you can always try out different things.
00:08:20 – Rico Figliolini
Okay. Nika, Carter, as far as the jewelry goes the, you’ve used it to raise money to support children in the philippines? yes
00:08:29 – Nika Jensen
Yes sir.
00:08:31 – Rico Figliolini
Is that, is that how you started this when you were 11? Is that the reason?
00:08:35 – Kimberly Wang
No, so I was like 11 during the pandemic. So I was always looking for a way to express my creativity. And so that’s how I started my own business. And so I was selling at my uncle’s pharmacy and I was saving up the money to use for like college or for like other events later on in my life. But this last year and a half before this school year, we were living in the Philippines. And so I was really touched by all of the families there. And we even did something similar where we gave out food and canned goods over Christmas to poor families there. So that just
really touched me. And so ever since we got back to America, I’ve been donating part of my profits to other families in the Philippines.
00:09:24 – Rico Figliolini
Carter, did you end up going on that trip as well?
00:09:28 – Carter Jensen
Yeah, I was with her. We stayed there for about a year and a half. We also did schooling there.
00:09:36 – Rico Figliolini
It’s interesting brothers and sisters, I have three kids and you know growing up brothers and sisters always there could be dynamics there. So how do you get along? Do you ever say to your sister, I don’t know about that. You know that might not look as good, that might not sell. Do you give good feedback? I mean how do you praise her or how do you work together?
00:09:58 – Carter Jensen
She’s more of the leader of the business so like I usually just like try to like agree with her and like yeah.
00:10:12 – Rico Figliolini
Alright that’s cool well you need a leader of the pack sometimes right? So Nika the artwork that you do, you know this is part of what you do you’ve mentioned other things you do right? I know you’re young, you all are, you know you’re not old enough to really think well maybe you are to really think what you want to do with your life right? Is art something that you want to keep as part of what you’re doing in your life?
00:10:39 – Nika Jensen
It’s definitely something that’s of great value to me, but I kind of want to pursue the medical field, but art is also really important to me.
00:10:49 – Rico Figliolini
Okay. Sounds good. Same question to Kimberly. What about you? How do you feel about the work you do?
00:10:57 – Kimberly Wang
I definitely enjoy making food, but like Nika said, I was also really interested in the medical field. And so like I’m not really sure if I’m going to continue pursuing this. But I mean it’s definitely brought me a lot of joy while doing food art.
00:11:15 – Rico Figliolini
Okay. Medical field both of you, that’s cool. What about Carter? How about you? 00:11:19 – Carter Jensen
I kind of like, I like doing art it’s one way to like express your creativity as my sister said. But I also kind of, I’m not really sure what I want to do when I grow up, maybe be a lawyer.
00:11:33 – Rico Figliolini
Okay. Well, artwork gives you a chance, right, to play a little bit, to be able to also see how people, like Kimberly, like you said about how when people see your food or taste your food and your food art, if you will, and it gives you a chance to see how people appreciate what you’re doing, I think, right? The challenges of making food art and keeping it fresh and making sure you’re going to deliver it on the right way I guess at the Wesleyan artist market, how do you how do you handle that part of it?
00:12:06 – Kimberly Wang
So for me the night before each day of the selling I would stay up really late and I make all my products so they’re all fresh and they’re all new. Because I want the best for the people that are eating the food because I don’t want anything to go bad overnight and so I make sure that it’s always new products and I make it, yeah.
00:12:32 – Rico Figliolini
We don’t have the same issue with the jewelry that you do, Nika. So that could last forever, right? But putting it together, sourcing the supplies, right, of what you do, the logistics of it, I guess. How do you handle that? Like getting all the materials together? Do you order it all on Amazon?
00:12:52 – Nika Jensen
Yeah, I order like 99% of all of my things from Amazon. And then since I already have the materials shipped to me, then all I have to do is just create them from my house. So it’s easier for me than having to go out and buy supplies at stores.
00:13:11 – Rico Figliolini
Sounds good. What inspires you as far as jewelry goes? I know that you said you look online to see other things and what the trend is. So where do you find most of your trends? Is it just on Amazon or is it social media, other places?
00:13:25 – Nika Jensen
I kind of observe other people and like what they wear and also social media. And I get a lot of inspiration also from like nature and from like my travels. We’ve been to a lot of countries in the past five years, 173 countries.
00:13:44 – Rico Figliolini
How many?
00:13:45 – Nika Jensen
I’m sorry, not 173, 73 countries.
00:13:49 – Rico Figliolini
73 countries?
00:13:50 – Nika Jensen
Yes, sir.
00:13:51 – Rico Figliolini
That you’ve been to in how many years? I can’t even wrap my head around that. How did you even do that? Teleport? I mean, how did you do that? Wow. What is your heritage, if you don’t mind me asking?
00:14:12 – Nika Jensen
I’m half Filipino. My brother and I are half Filipino. And then my father is part Danish and then also American.
00:14:21 – Rico Figliolini
Do you speak any languages?
00:14:23 – Nika Jensen
I speak the language of the Philippines called Tagalog and then English. And I’m learning Spanish.
00:14:30 – Rico Figliolini
Really? Okay. Kimberly, how about you?
00:14:33 – Kimberly Wang
So my mom is Taiwanese and my dad is Chinese. So I speak Chinese, English. I’m learning French and I’m learning Korean.
00:14:43 – Rico Figliolini
Really? Wow. Okay. Speak Mandarin, is it? Okay. My son was learning that for a year and he was, it’s a tough language to learn. But I’m sure being able to travel for example Nika, to be able to see other other countries and inspiration from those countries. What of the 73, 75 countries you visited what would you say the top five would be for that type of inspiration? Can you pick that up?
00:15:16 – Nika Jensen
I think so. I really like Argentina just because it’s so unique and the culture is just so strong there. Like you really feel so immersed just when you like step into the country. I like Italy, not only because of the food, but that’s also where I got a lot of inspiration for my jewelry. Just like the glass in Venice, like the Murano glass, like that’s also a really big inspiration. In Turkey, that’s when I first like found my interest in jewelry because there was, we went to this bead store and there was like thousands of different beads and I got to like choose different charms and like experiment with creating jewelry. So Turkey, Argentina, Italy, and then I have to give it to the
Philippines, obviously, because we lived there for so long. And then that’s hard. What do you think, Carter?
00:16:12 – Carter Jensen
I like India because I really like butter chicken. Also like Italy because I like pizza and pasta.
00:16:27 – Rico Figliolini
Yes, can’t get any better pizza than Italy, that’s for sure.
00:16:30 – Carter Jensen
Yeah, it’s really good there. And I also like Japan because it’s very futuristic and it’s like…
00:16:38 – Rico Figliolini
Is it?
00:16:39 – Carter Jensen
Yeah, it’s like a new environment and it’s like…
00:16:45 – Rico Figliolini
Yeah, cool. I can’t wait I think where, I think we may be heading there in July so that would be fun. I’ve never been so that would be interesting. Cool so with the artwork, with the inspiration, with the journey that you guys have been on, do you think that, are there any artists it’s hard and food maybe unless it’s Gordon Ramsay or something, but do you draw any inspiration? Who do you draw inspiration from for the work for what you do? Let’s start with Kimberly.
00:17:19 – Kimberly Wang
I don’t really have a specific artist that I look up to but I do watch some cooking shows and some like dessert making shows and they always really inspire me so I feel like that’s what really led me into like starting food art. And so I was like, whoa, this is really cool. And so I was like, okay, let me try this. And so now I’m here and then I’m like, this is pretty fun.
00:17:49 – Rico Figliolini
Oh, okay. Carter, I know you’re not the main person doing the artwork, but what do you see when you’re working with your sister? How does that feel working with her, doing the stuff with her, the artwork? Whatever you’re doing with her, how you know what’s that journey feel like for a brother and his sister?
00:18:13 – Carter Jensen
It’s kind of relaxing doing artwork and like peeling off like the stickers on the bags
00:18:26 – Rico Figliolini
Okay, alright, that’s cool. Sister, how do you feel?
00:18:30 – Nika Jensen
Yeah I just enjoy anytime I’m like I get to make jewelry because I feel like it’s such like an important thing to me. And it also like my brother said it’s really relaxing and just like sitting in our home and just like making jewelry it’s like, it’s really fun for me.
00:18:48 – Rico Figliolini
Do you wear? I’m assuming you wear some of the stuff you make?
00:18:51 – Nika Jensen
No actually I don’t have my ears pierced. And so I just like making it and seeing my creations on other people.
00:19:00 – Rico Figliolini
Okay, cool. Kimberly, do you ever decide, I’ve got to make something, I want to eat something, do you ever decide to do that, or is it always just for the art?
00:19:10 – Kimberly Wang
I think mainly just for the art. Because, I mean, I do piano outside of school, and so most of my time is sucked into that. But, I mean, sometimes if I do want to make something, yeah, I’ll go for it. And I’ll try my best, but it might not be successful.
00:19:31 – Rico Figliolini
Have you ever been, have you ever designed anything custom design? Because someone requested it from you? Like has anyone ever asked Kimberly, has any anyone ever asked yeah can you make that for me? Like aside from the artwork you sell.
00:19:50 – Kimberly Wang
I don’t think so. I did get one request by a high schooler to make peppermint bark for him for his art and science class. But like other than that, no.
00:20:00 – Rico Figliolini
Okay. How about Nika? Have you ever had a request for jewelry?
00:20:04 – Nika Jensen
Yes, I have. So my mom was posting some of my creations on social media and someone reached out to me and she wanted lego earrings like so little like lego figurines as earrings. So I used some of my own legos and then we also bought some but I drilled a hole on top of their head and I had to stick a screw inside. I had to mail it to them. And then they sent me a picture of them wearing it.
00:20:42 – Rico Figliolini
It’s just the way you were describing it, drilling the hole in the head. It’s like, all right, well, that’s good. So there’s the art. You do anything for art, I guess. That’s good. Great. We’ve been showcasing and talking a lot about art here and food and stuff. What are you looking forward to this year’s Wesleyan Artist Market? What is it that’s looking forward? I mean, you have there’s
three of you out of 24 other students. Have you seen or talked to other students and what they’re doing for the show, for the market? What are you looking forward to?
00:21:16 – Nika Jensen
To me?
00:21:17 – Rico Figliolini
Yeah, sure. Let’s go with it.
00:21:18 – Nika Jensen
Okay. Yes. Kimberly and I are actually really good friends so we’ve been like talking with our other friends that are doing the artist market and we’re like you know what they’re selling and yeah. I’m just really excited because we’ve never my brother and I have never done something like this before so I think it’ll be a really good opportunity and it’ll be fun so.
00:21:39 – Rico Figliolini
Something wholly new. That’s good, a good experience. How about you Kimberly?
00:21:45 – Kimberly Wang
Ever since last year, I was really astonished by everything I saw, even if it was like the adult artists, but like the student artists, they were all so talented. I know like a few other people are making food art and people like Nika are making jewelry. And so I’m honestly really inspired and just really blown away by all the effort that everyone puts in.
00:22:13 – Rico Figliolini
Cool. Anything that I’ve not touched on, guys, that you want to share about, individually about what it takes to do what you’re doing or your experience at Wesleyan? Why don’t we start with Kimberly?
00:22:29 – Kimberly Wang
I don’t really have much. I feel like this was a really nice opportunity to be able to share what Wesleyan Artist Market is about and how students have been able to participate in it.
00:22:42 – Rico Figliolini
Cool. Nika?
00:22:43 – Nika Jensen
Yeah so my mom printed out pictures of our time in the philippines so this first one it’s all the bags of food that my old school donated to families in the philippines.
00:23:01 – Rico Figliolini
Excellent. Glad you printed those out.
00:23:03 – Nika Jensen
This is my old class. This was this year when I sent my profits back to the Philippines. And those are all the boxes of food and clothes that they get with that money.
00:23:16 – Rico Figliolini
Wow, you really did make a lot of money.
00:23:18 – Nika Jensen
Yes, sir.
00:23:19 – Rico Figliolini
That’s good. That’s great. And maybe at some point I’ll ask Camille on this, getting some pictures from you all of some of the artwork that you’ve done. I’d love to include that when we post the podcast as well. And if you have any social media where you post your artwork on, if it’s public, feel free. We’re going to be sharing this and we’ll be taking you all as well. I think we got everything covered. I mean, you’re all just unbelievable kids. You’re just doing great work. And I’m just like, it’s always great to talk to you, to Wesleyan students, just like, or to students that are motivated, put it that way, to do things. So glad to see that you’re doing all sorts of things and I still can’t wrap my head around 75 countries, I’m just still trying to think that just like in five years, I can’t even see doing that. But I want to thank you all for for joining me so this is Wesleyan Artist Market you all will be at and that’s April Friday the 25th from 10:00 – 7:00 pm and Saturday April 26 from 10:00 to 3:00 pm. We’ve been talking with Kimberly Wang, who does food art, edible food art, and Nika and her brother Carter Jensen, who do jewelry. Appreciate you guys being with me and being so talkative and just being good guests. So thank you all. Hang in there with me for a second. Everyone else, I want to say thank you again for joining us. You can find out more about Wesleyan Artist Market from just going to wesleyanschool.org or just Googling Wesleyan Artist Market it’ll pop up for you. And it’s open to the public, Friday and Saturday in April. So check them out. Visit the 24 students that are displaying their artwork as well, along with the over, I think it’s over 70 professional artists there. And thank you all from, I guess you’re in Wesleyan Wolf TV station too. So appreciate you doing that with me. So thank you everyone. Stay well.
Peachtree Corners Life
Peachtree Corners Roundabout Plans, Tech Park Housing, and Zoning Updates [Podcast]
In this episode of Peachtree Corners Life, host Rico Figliolini speaks with City Manager Brian Johnson about several key developments happening around the city. From proposed traffic improvements near the Forum to the shift toward more equity-based residential housing, Brian provides updates on what’s being considered and how the city is approaching growth and redevelopment.
The conversation covers changes in Tech Park, details about the new Curiosity Corner mobility hub, updates on zoning and land use policy, and the city’s efforts to manage potential data center projects. If you live, work, or invest in Peachtree Corners, this episode offers a clear and timely overview of where things stand and what’s on the horizon.
Downloadable Content
- Peachtree Corners Memorandum Roundabout Assessment (PDF)
- Final PTC Circle Roundabout Feasibility Study 03-01-2023 (PDF)
- Final PTC Circle Roundabout Feasibility Study APPENDICES 03-01-2023 (PDF)
🔍 Key Takeaways
- New Roundabout proposed at Peachtree Corners Circle near the Forum to address traffic safety.
- Multiple equity-based residential projects replacing outdated office spaces, including at 20-22 Tech Park, the Day Building, and 333 Research Court.
- Curiosity Corner Mobility Hub coming to Tech Park, featuring EV stations, food trucks, and drone test areas.
- Autonomous vehicles like May Mobility already operating with zero drivers on Peachtree Corners streets.
- City’s proactive zoning changes include special-use permits for data centers and new infill residential zoning.
- Merger of Planning Commission and Zoning Board of Appeals to streamline decisions and reduce redundancy.
Timestamps of Major Topics
- 00:01 – Introductions & Sponsors
- 02:00 – New Roundabout Near the Forum: Safety & Traffic Study
- 09:45 – 20/22 Tech Park Development: Downsized, Equity Apartments
- 13:30 – Day Building Townhome Settlement & Safety Upgrades
- 17:00 – 333 Research Court: Office-to-Townhome Conversion
- 20:00 – Curiosity Corner: Tech Park’s New Mobility Hub
- 23:45 – May Mobility Driverless Car Stories
- 26:45 – Why Peachtree Corners is Restricting Data Center Development
- 31:30 – Merging Zoning Boards: Efficiency & Transparency
- 34:00 – New Infill Residential Zoning for Smaller Sites
38:00 – Wrap-up and Magazine Plug
Podcast Transcript:
Transcript:
00:00:03 – Rico Figliolini
Right. Hi, this is Rico Figliolini, host of Peachtree Corners Life. Appreciate you guys joining us. This is me with Brian Johnson, the city manager. Hey, Brian.
00:00:09 – Brian Johnson
Hey, Rico. How are you?
00:00:15 – Rico Figliolini
Good. Good to have you. We haven’t done this in a while, but before we get into this, let me just say thank you to two of our sponsors, EV Remodeling Inc. and Eli, the owner, based here in Peachtree Corners. They’re a great company, great family. They do design to build. So from everything from rebuilding your house to adding a deck or an extension or just redoing your kitchen. They’ve done over 260 family homes and stuff. So check them out. They just will do great work for you. Our second sponsor is Vox Pop Uli, also here based in Peachtree Corners. If you have a company and you’re doing either trade shows or you have a company and you’re trying to get your brand name out, they’re the company to do it with because they deal with everything from vehicle wraps, wrapping that whole truck or that car, to trade show booths, to garments for your business, or to if you’re doing a Peachtree Corners Festival and you need the tent and you need branding, they’ll take care of that. So anything you need, your logo imprinted onto almost any object, they’ll figure it out for you. So check them out Vox Pop Uli is the company. Tell them we sent you, so thanks for supporting us. So Brian it’s been a while, I think we got a few things to touch on to talk about. Lots happening this year as one city councilman told me, it’s going to be an exciting year of stuff going on. But things going on right now. So let’s start off with I guess one of the biggest things, we just had an informational meeting about. So we had a lot of comments on our social posts about this. And this is about installing possibly another roundabout. This was an informational meeting, right? And the roundabout, similar to the one that’s on Peachtree Corners Circle and Medlock Bridge Road, right? But this one’s going to be located between the Forum and Creme de la Creme on also Peachtree Corners Circle. So can you give us the, you know the the details on that or eye level?
00:02:20 – Brian Johnson
Yeah, so it boiled down it really comes to this if anybody’s ever left the Forum on the south end by Trader Joe’s and wanted to turn on the Peachtree Corner Circle, really any direction but certainly if you’re trying to make a left out of there, it’s kind of a dangerous you know intersection. It’s unsignalized there, you know Peachtree Corner Circle coming from the west or the right side if you were, you know leaving the Forum is coming over down a hill around a corner. You’re crossing over, I believe what at that point you’re at least five lanes of traffic are at two lanes each way in a middle turning lane. And it’s a dangerous intersection. And as the activity at the Forum increases, the property right across the street, right next to Creme de la Creme is zoned for condos. So that could get developed. And then we’re going to talk here shortly about just up the road, the Day Building properly, which is actually the next property over that just got approved. And so traffic is going to even increase even more. We cannot put a signal, another traffic signal at that intersection because it’s too close to the Peachtree Corner Circle, Peachtree Parkway intersection. So we either have to leave it the way it is or a roundabout allows people, especially the most dangerous turning movement is leaving the Forum turning left.
00:03:54 – Rico Figliolini
Yeah, for sure.
00:03:57 – Brian Johnson
And that, there’s no way to resolve that with, I guess unless you did a four-way stop, which I’m not, I mean, that’s, again, not just two lanes of traffic each direction. It can’t put a signal. So a roundabout allows people who want to turn left to actually turn right first into the roundabout and then just stay in the roundabout as you can go around to the left. So it’s almost like making a turning right to ultimately make a left. But you would turn right and enter the roundabout and then just follow the roundabout around until you’re now facing Peachtree Parkway and then you head straight. So we did a big traffic analysis, the city did along with Gwinnett County DOT and Georgia DOT, and a roundabout fits at that location. And so right now where we’re at is council, the city had an open house recently to solicit public comment on it. We’re sharing with you, have some, and we’re sharing the remainder of the information with you, Rico, so people can get on your social media posts and see, you know, but ultimately, you know, a lot of this detail will be hosted on our website, but they can see everything from the traffic analysis, the accident reports, the design concepts. But we’re doing that so that council can ultimately decide if this is you know a good to go project, and so that’s where we’re at with that project.
00:05:37 – Rico Figliolini
Okay. And we’ll have links we have an article being written about it but we’ll have links to the website, to the resources that you talked about, we’ll have that in the show notes. And this video I think a 3D video also that we’ll be sharing.
00:05:52 – Brian Johnson
Yeah, it’s an actual traffic model. So we took real traffic data from that intersection and then applied it at different times of the day on how this new roundabout would address that traffic count, that real traffic count. So that is not like, oh, let’s just throw a number of cars going through it. It is actually from the traffic counts.
00:06:16 – Rico Figliolini
And I remember the consultant telling me that I asked him, I said, it looks like an awful lot of cars. And he says, well, this is based on what the traffic is.
00:06:25 – Brian Johnson
Well, yeah, at the worst time, like, say, at 5:30.
00:06:30 – Rico Figliolini
Right.
00:06:31 – Brian Johnson
You know, how would it handle that? I mean, it’s easy to handle traffic there if it’s, you know, two in the afternoon, you know, nine in the morning, but we want to know what it’s like, you know, especially in the evening and rush hour, because the Forum’s not open in the early morning, so the morning rush hour traffic isn’t so bad. Evening is definitely, afternoon into the evening.
00:06:50 – Rico Figliolini
When you have people leaving the Forum, when you have people coming through wanting to go into the Forum, you have people leaving Creme de la C reme, you have people going left out of the QT station. Which once this is put, if I understand correctly, it’ll be a right in, right out only. Because there’ll be a median across the way. Correct.
00:07:13 – Brian Johnson
Correct. And you won’t be able to make a left out of the J. Alexander’s curb cut that’s closest to Peachtree Parkway.
00:07:21 – Rico Figliolini
You won’t be able to do that.
00:07:22 – Brian Johnson
Because that’s also, that’s actually going across.
00:07:25 – Rico Figliolini
That’s actually worse.
00:07:26 – Brian Johnson
Seven lanes of traffic with the turning lanes included.
00:07:29 – Rico Figliolini
I can’t even see how someone wants to make a left out of there. That’s dangerous right there.
00:07:32 – Brian Johnson
But people do.
00:07:33 – Rico Figliolini
Yeah. It’s crazy. And making a right out of, or coming out of the Forum by the Trader Joe’s, that driveway. I mean, I’ve personally seen anecdotally, if you will, one or two accidents roughly a year every months or so. And that’s what I’ve seen there. And I’ve seen people in the median stacked two, three, four cars. And if the first car doesn’t do their turn. The car behind them wants to play chicken and wants to come through sometimes. It’s like, you know, so I’m looking as I’m coming towards Peachtree Corners Baptist Church with the QT behind me. I’d have to be looking at the right side to see the Forum people, either people coming out to make a right or cutting straight across or wanting to go from that median going into the Forum. And even sometimes the Creme de la Creme people wanting to make a left out of there as well. Cutting across and who’s going to go?
00:08:30 – Brian Johnson
At the same time, somebody may want to make a left out of the Forum and Creme de la Creme.
00:08:35 – Rico Figliolini
Yes.
00:08:35 – Brian Johnson
And then there, you know. Yeah. So the only two options we have really, again, GDOT won’t let us put a traffic signal there because it’s too close to their signal on Peachtree Parkway.
00:08:49 – Rico Figliolini
Right.
00:08:50 – Brian Johnson
You can’t really put a four way stop where you have that many lanes. So we either leave it alone and just hope. Keep hoping for the best, or we do something that allows anybody who wants to make a left to technically do it by making a right into the traffic circle and then coming back around.
00:09:08 – Rico Figliolini
And I think there’ll be some improvements based on what we learned, what was learned from the roundabout at the other place that there’ll be some, what’s called brambles, I guess, stopping people cutting across from one lane to the other as they’re coming around. So there’ll be areas where they can feed into naturally into the lane. But yeah, so I thought that was good. So if you guys want to check out the links, you’ll be able to see that information and stuff. So that’s cool. So let’s talk about also 2022 Technology Parkway. That was the, that was originally had an old developer that came in. That was actually approved, I think, for just almost 300 units, apartments.
00:09:54 – Brian Johnson
A little more than 300, yeah.
00:09:55 – Rico Figliolini
More than 300, right? So now a new developer came in. And so tell us a bit about that, because now it’s moving towards equity property, I think, or?
00:10:06 – Brian Johnson
Well, no, that one isn’t. So the original application that was approved for rezoning was to combine 20 and 22 Tech Park South, which is at the corner of PIB and Technology Parkway South. And to combine the properties and then put, you know, around 350-ish apartment units on two different, I don’t know if you want to call them towers, but, you know, I would say six-story properties there built on top of where the existing buildings had been demoed. And the original owner, you know, ends up selling it. And so when the new developers come in, we work with them. And the ultimate product that they ask to be developed is reducing it by, I don’t know, somewhere near 100. So there’s like about 100 less units going in as tall. But it is still a multifamily development right there at the corner, all being built on existing parking lot or foundation of existing building. Anybody’s driven there recently that’s an old building that had structured parking there, it’s derelict people are breaking into it and and so it’s a code enforcement you know kind of challenge right now but the developers were approved for this less dense product than was previously approved so in that vein that’s a good thing. And again tech park and the businesses in tech park need, you know, it’s healthy to have a mix of housing units in amongst these buildings because employees like to be able to work close to or live close to where they work. So this is a good node right there, right there at PIB. So, yeah, we’re excited about the project and, you know, have every reason to believe the developer is going to jump right on it.
00:12:08 – Rico Figliolini
It’s amazing how we, how is its transition, Tech Park, 500 acres of office, all office, to slowly being more residential in there as well.
00:12:19 – Brian Johnson
Yeah, the mix.
00:12:20 – Rico Figliolini
The mix of it. Because you know the world has changed there’s still a lot of people working remote still a lot of you know office buildings, just you know going the way of this if you will.
00:12:32 – Brian Johnson
And we did part of that small area plan that council just approved recently was a office inventory in which we graded the quality of the remaining office And we identified the offices that are, you know, and it’s a lesser percentage, but there are some that are almost at a point where you’re not going to ever see somebody fill it with, you know, commercial tenants anymore because the building requires too many upgrades for it to be competitive. So those are ones that council will be, you know, more amenable to consider transitioning it to residential. Some of the office product, if an application came in and they wanted to demo or repurpose an office, council would say no, because we do want to also protect our office product. It’s still a very important part of our, you know, local economy. So we’re being very, you know, selective in which ones we might allow for this to happen, which ones we won’t.
00:13:34 – Rico Figliolini
Okay. Talking about another one, also the Day building, which is on Peachtree Corner Circle. People might be familiar with that building. It’s just, it’s before the Creme de la Creme on the right-hand side going up a hill. So they’ve originally came in, wanted to do 225 units or somewhere about there, retail, townhomes, so mixed use. That was denied, I think, at some point. And then they filed suit, trying to figure out, you know, we want to use this land, let us use this land. And then they went into a settlement with you, with the city. So tell us a bit about that. And they resubmitted, I think, right?
00:14:13 – Brian Johnson
Yes. And that is all true. And so they came back as part of settlement discussions and changed it from a mixed use product that had 225-ish or so apartments to an all equity development of around 60, maybe a little bit more than 60 townhomes on that product or on that property. That property has two entrances, one on Peachtree Corner Circle and then the back side also has ingress egress onto what’s Data Drive. Then if you take Data Drive up it goes into Triangle Parkway near Cornerstone Christian. So this development will have two entrances so it won’t have to dump everything out on Peachtree Corner Circle all the time. But it does allow us, as part of this settlement agreement we mandated, if you are on Peachtree Corner Circle, say, heading from Spalding towards Peachtree Parkway, and you start coming around that, you know, down the hill around the corner, getting close to the Forum, Creme de la Creme, the current entrance doesn’t have a deceleration length. So people don’t realize there’s an entrance there and all of a sudden when you’re on this corner where you would think there’s no entrances anywhere we’re at a higher rate of speed people turning into it all of a sudden slow down and people behind are like why are you slowing down. So we required a deceleration lane so now they can get out of the you know normal, you know travel lane and decelerate outside of it that will help. But yeah, this product goes from, again, 200 plus apartment units down to 60-ish equity townhomes, and that’s it. No commercial, no retail, just residential. And it’s an office product that probably would remain vacant if we didn’t allow this because the office is so old, it would require more money than they could make by keeping it office just because office product, like you said, is just not at a premium right now.
00:16:29 – Rico Figliolini
No, no. Changing environment out there and more density, you know, I mean, even multi-use, right? Multi-use is changing also. There’s not, right? There’s not as much, unless you go up to Johns Creek, I guess. They just approved some big multi-use retail density apartment.
00:16:50 – Brian Johnson
Yeah, but that’s part of their new town center, though.
00:16:52 – Rico Figliolini
Right. so that’s a whole different thing. So to, okay so there’s quite a few you know things going on there as far as residential development and stuff the other thing that I noticed.
00:17:04 – Brian Johnson
Real quick, we have one more at our last council meeting we’re talking about that’s 333 Research Court.
00:17:11 – Rico Figliolini
Right, okay I was going to save that for later but let’s go into that.
00:17:13 – Brian Johnson
Oh, okay. Well I mean it was all kind of in the whole genre of having selected office buildings that were of poor enough quality that the occupancy or call it the vacancy was so high. And the property owners had come in and said, we’re not, we can’t keep it as an office. We’re never going to be able to get tenants without pouring a lot of money. And right now the demand isn’t high. So it was another one. It’s at the end of Research Court. Probably the best way to know is if you’re looking at Norcross High School, right of their main building is a bunch of classroom trailers, then into the woods, there’s a buffer there. You would come into the back parking lot of somewhere that the only way to drive through it is you got to go into Tech Park, onto Technology Parkway Research Court at the very back. Anyway, this is converting that property into their original attempt was to put about, I don’t know, 100, just maybe under a hundred stack flats. Was an equity product, but it was stacked flats. They were not able to make the numbers quite work on that. And so they’ve, they decreased the density of the equity and that’s going to be around 60-ish or so townhome product as well. So that’s where that is at. And again, a carefully selected node within Technology Parkway where we feel like having a small cluster of residential will meld well with the existing higher quality office to create the mixed use that Tech Park is becoming.
00:18:57 – Rico Figliolini
You know, I like the fact that we go from I mean there’s a reason for multi-use and the reason for multi-family development actually. But I like the fact that we’re moving towards equity like the these equity properties. I think that more stabilizes the community also a bit. That’s a lot of development decisions that have been made. There’s been some also first reads of some other stuff that will be in the next city council meeting. So we’ll have links to these things that you all can visit because the city set up on their website a special page showing development applications. So you all can actually go there and you can actually look through the applications and see the you know, the maps and stuff and what’s coming up over the next month or two. There’s somewhere else also in Technology Park, things going on there. I saw some clear cutting just recently. So something’s happening. Something’s beginning. I remember seeing a check, a federal, I think it was Congressman Bordeaux at the time, gave a check for over a half a million dollars back in 2022 for this. And it’s a mobility hub in Technology Park. It’s called Curiosity Corner now. So tell us a little bit about that and what’s coming there, Brian.
00:20:15 – Brian Johnson
So it’s at the corner of Scientific Drive and Technology Parkway. And, you know, really most across the street from Global Aviation, you know, that area. It is, you know, what, a three plus acre parcel. And it’s going to be everything. It’s a mobility hub. So all things mobility can come together there. Everything from the Gwinnett County Transit bus has their route there to EV charging so that you could have electric vehicles, e-bikes, e-scooters, all things mobility can come together there. Testing around that with the Curiosity Lab ecosystem can happen there. There’s also drone, location for drone, both testing and as well as if we have interested companies that are starting to get into the drone delivery space, a number of companies like Amazon, Google, that have arms that are doing, you know, point to point, you know, it’s like, I guess, retail to customer direct delivery of things like medicine and other things, but they need locations and cities to make this work. This could be one of those. We’re also turning it into an amenity to make the employees within businesses here in Technology Park have a place, an amenity to go to, to kind of create the sense of place within the entirety of Tech Park. Here, we’re going to have food truck stalls with, you know, plugins right there, covered seating with fans underneath it and public 5G Wi-Fi. Our hope is that it creates an opportunity for employees in Tech Park businesses to be able to go to maybe for lunch and not have to get on that river of cars that’s either Peachtree Parkway or PIV. To get together, to socialize. There’s some open space there that there could even be some you know, organized events, maybe in the evening, you know, something, you know.
00:22:31 – Rico Figliolini
You’re going to have some green space.
00:22:33 – Brian Johnson
Green space there, yes. So it’s a mix of a lot of stuff. It is a mobility hub, but it’s going to be both for practical, you know, purposes and testing as well, which is what this ecosystem of Curiosity Lab has become.
00:22:49 – Rico Figliolini
It’s amazing. We did a podcast about May Mobility. and people that have gone through Tech Park probably have seen this car, has a wrap and stuff like that. It drives like 35 miles an hour at least and it’s going through and people will see no driver.
00:23:08 – Brian Johnson
There’s not even a person in the car.
00:23:09 – Rico Figliolini
Not a person in the car, right. So it looks really strange when you see it. When I drove in it, getting into that middle seat with some people and seeing this car drive by itself it’s kind of weird too because it takes you a little while to like, damn, look at that. It’s just moving.
00:23:27 – Brian Johnson
Yeah, there’s nobody there in case something happened for them to grab the wheel.
00:23:31 – Rico Figliolini
That’s right. Yes.
00:23:36 – Brian Johnson
Yeah, we’ve had safety stewards in some of the other autonomous vehicles. So they’ve been autonomous, but you always had that person that was sitting there and they weren’t driving, but they were there. This one doesn’t even have that. So it is a little bit of a unique experience.
00:23:49 – Rico Figliolini
So the interesting part is too that it goes, so it’ll go up and down Technology Parkway and it goes through City Hall parking, you know City Hall area and then comes out it goes to with the former Anderby, jug turn if you want to call it that where it comes out and make a left back out onto the street to come on back. So we’re doing a photoshoot.
00:24:11 – Brian Johnson
It also goes through the Marriott parking lot.
00:24:16 – Rico Figliolini
Right, the Marriott, yep. So we’re doing a photo shoot in front of City Hall. We have the marshals there and we’re doing this photo shoot. The cars are parked right literally in front of City Hall. And we’re doing the shoot. And all of a sudden I noticed there’s a car waiting to get through. And I’m like, it turned and it’s the May Mobility car. And it’s like, it stopped and it’s just waiting. I’m like, is that supposed to be staging from here? What is going on? No, the damn thing, it’s just waiting. It’s waiting. And it’s like, I think we need to let it go through. So we step off the parking lot a bit. Now, mind you, these marshal cars are pointing towards us away from the building. They were like, we had three of them there like that. And so we stepped off. We’re still near the edge. And it’s not moving. So I was like, maybe it’s the cars or maybe it’s us. What if we take a couple more steps back? We did that. All of a sudden, after a second or two it decides okay maybe I’ll slowly start moving so it slowly starts moving, weaves its way up and then picks up speed and then goes. And I was like, it was actually waiting for us look at that. It actually worked the way it’s supposed to.
00:25:23 – Brian Johnson
Yeah, it does although you know it’s interesting without people there you know normally if somebody was there and you didn’t want to move you know you could like motion them to like go around or something.
00:25:30 – Rico Figliolini
Really? Oh, you know what yes.
00:25:31 – Brian Johnson
You know, because if you were driving up there and I’m like, Rico, we’re doing something. Can you go around? You’d be like, okay.
00:25:35 – Rico Figliolini
Yes, right. But that car won’t do it.
00:25:38 – Brian Johnson
It’s like, look, this is the direction of travel I’m supposed to be driving, you’re in my way. My, you know, A .I. and my, you know, all our sensors say I can’t go until you get out of the way. But once you do, it’s like, alright, it looks clear. Alright. And then it goes. I mean, so it works.
00:25:59 – Rico Figliolini
No. And it made the right choice because there were three cars that were pointing at it pretty much as it was going and but it was waiting for us to get off and then it made that decision that those three cars are parked that even though they weren’t in parking spaces so it had to make that intelligent choice to say it’s not going to move they’re just pointing that way it’s stable for the last five minutes. Yeah it was just an interesting thing to see. Alright. So we’ve got just a few more quick things, that we talked about a little bit about a special use permit that’s being, this is a bit proactive decision the city council is making and the city’s making about data centers and creating special use permit for that. Walk us through why that as a proactive thing, why that makes sense.
00:26:51 – Brian Johnson
Yeah. So also at this last council meeting we had, we had a couple of preemptive moves. This one is just merely for us to require anybody wanting to construct a data center and by data center I’m essentially saying these are large buildings that are constructed to house server farms. And this is when somebody says, oh you know I’m saving something to the cloud, well there’s not anything actually in the cloud, it’s still going to a server. But the cloud is really server farms and these can be hundreds of thousands of square feet of just servers that require a lot of electricity and a lot of water to oftentimes cool the space. And they serve a purpose. But if you’re not careful and somebody’s got the current zoning allow for it, you could find property chewed up with very large buildings that don’t really provide value to the city because you could have hundreds of thousands of square feet of these servers and five employees that are managing it and it’s not generating retail transactions for us to get sales tax. And it’s not the headquarters of a company that would pay us a business license, so we essentially could have large you know very valuable property chewed up with this but it’s not a value add to us as a city. We feel like there might be exceptions where we could have a modest size one, maybe. Maybe in conjunction with something else with a Google or whatever, Amazon, whatever. But oftentimes these big ones are better left for more rural areas. You know, we’ve become more of a redevelopment city because we don’t have a lot of undeveloped property left. So our property is a premium. And so there’s, Metro Atlanta has a lot of tire kicking going on with developers wanting to do it because the demand for cloud storage just keeps going up and up. We want to be very careful. So we made it to where each specific instance has to get in front of council and has to have a public hearing. And so that’s what this is to do.
00:29:11 – Rico Figliolini
So you, at the beginning, before we started the podcast, you were saying there were a lot of tire kickings going on, I guess. Was it from that or was it also from trends that you saw other cities having some of the same issues had that this sort of, you know, get on your list of that we need to take care of this?
00:29:30 – Brian Johnson
Well, reading some of the recent, I think even the AJC had not to, but a couple of weeks ago, recent article about the demand in Georgia as a whole or Metro Atlanta specifically. And so that got it kind of got already on our screen. We did have specific tire kicking going on here by a developer who was actually, you know, my community development director, Sean Adams will get calls with people asking, hey, I’m, you know, representing a property owner or whatever. And I wanted to know, is this an eligible use? And he was getting a little bit of those. So then he did look, you know, he did look out nationally to see what our city’s doing, what are best practices. He took that and crafted his own language, made it ours, and then presented it to me, and I put it on the agenda for council to consider. So all of what you said is added together is kind of how it ultimately got on an agenda, but it is a preemptive move. So we now do have this protection. So if somebody want to do it, council’s got to approve it and there’s got to be a public hearing so the community gets a chance to weigh in on it as well.
00:30:48 – Rico Figliolini
It’s good to see the function of city. Of the city mechanics if you will. How things come about, why you look at certain things and stuff. So it’s good I think for the public to see this, that it’s not just pulled out of nowhere. It’s like why this? Why data centers? Well, because these trends that you all even went out to look at the competitive field, what was being done, best practices, it’s all great. Rezoning Board of Appeals, rezoning board, I guess, and the Planning Commission. There were recently, and I’ve noticed there on the, I guess, is it the rezoning or the zoning board of appeals, I guess. There were a lot of canceled meetings at certain points. Wasn’t being probably needed, but you all decided to merge, I guess, both of those.
00:31:39 – Brian Johnson
Yes. So Zoning Board of Appeals hears cases of, you know, where somebody has, you know, a hardship due to a zoning or a code compliance, you know. And so they don’t have a lot of cases every year. In fact, two years ago, we went the entire year and there was no case for them to hear. No hardship case for them to weigh in on. So it started to get to where it, you know, you ask somebody or somebody is interested in being civically active. You put them on a, you know, the ZBA and they don’t have a meeting for a year or they’re canceled. That’s one, too training. You know, you like to these board members oftentimes go to training and, you know, we want them to be trained up. And so we just thought that, you know what, we’ll, you know support and provide even additional training to one group. And we combine the planning commission and the ZBA together. So now planning commissioners will also hear, you know, appeal cases on city code that the ZBA would have heard. And so we’re combining it, we’re adding, because it’s a more, call it a body that hearing two types of cases, we decided to add two additional spots. So the planning commission grew, but now we won’t have a ZBA. The planning commission will serve in that capacity.
00:33:08 – Rico Figliolini
And for people that may not be aware, planning commission, these are volunteer positions of appointed people, citizens from our community. The zoning board of appeals would look at not only commercial, but residential appeals, right? So if someone wanted a little leniency on the easement on their property, maybe, or they needed.
00:33:28 – Brian Johnson
Or they wanted to park an RV. A common one is park an RV in their driveway permanently if they’re not using it for a long period, you know, where that’s not allowed per code. And they make a hardship case. And, you know, the ZBA would say, yeah, you know, you do have a hardship case. We’re going to allow it on that particular property. So it’s an important role.
00:33:52 – Rico Figliolini
Yeah, for sure. Okay, cool. So that’s cool. So I think the next one was the new zoning district for the infill residential development. So what does that mean to most people, Brian?
00:34:08 – Brian Johnson
Well, you know, if people knew anything about Peachtree Corners, again, they’re going to look at the city and be like, you know, there’s not a lot of undeveloped property left. So, you know, we are more of redevelopment. So now new projects are oftentimes, they involve the tearing down of a use that’s run its cycle. You know, maybe it was an office building for 50 years, but now it’s time for there to be a new office or something else or maybe a combination. But when that happens, there are oftentimes pockets of smaller properties that maybe things have changed and we could put them to good use. A good example of that would be commercial office buildings used to have a higher parking spot per square foot ratio than we need now. There used to be, you know, the big sea of parking in front of a big, you know, box store is no longer the case. So we oftentimes have office product is a good, you know, again, a good example where there could be twice the amount of parking that they need, but they’d like to do something with it. Well, maybe there’s an opportunity for infill. And so there are pockets, and there’s not a lot of them, but we have pockets where we were kind of like, what are we going to do with these? We don’t have a zoning classification that allows for certain smaller, you know, you could almost argue shoehorn things. But yet, if you don’t do anything, it’s kind of a waste of a property. And so we want to maximize our property and be as flexible as we can. So again, the community development director looked at best practices and came up with the infill residential. So this could be to where you could put smaller, you know, pockets of residential and oftentimes maybe it doesn’t have the same buffer requirement that you would normally have or some of those other things. And so it’s just a way for us to be flexible. Again, there’s not a lot of, cases but there are some cases where we think there could be a use here so it’s just providing us, it’s adding to our you know, our bag of tricks if you will when it comes to trying to maximize what is not. We’re not getting any more property right now, so we’ve got to make that, make the best of what we have.
00:36:36 – Rico Figliolini
So, it’s good to see the city being proactive So not just reactive to everything that’s coming along, right? You want to plan things out. I mean, that’s why the comprehensive plan is there that just got revised and stuff. We’ve hit on quite a few things. So there’s a lot of stuff going on in the city, more things coming. Anything that we’ve left out, Brian, that you just want to mention for the time being?
00:37:01 – Brian Johnson
No, not really. I mean, you know, encourage people to go. I think you put a link on there, the latest edition of Peachtree Corners Life has a, the mayor has a column in there.
00:37:14 – Rico Figliolini
Yes. On our website about deer population.
00:37:15 – Brian Johnson
Yes. And, you know, deer. So for those who want to know what we’re doing and we’ve, we’re actively getting to a point where we will have a deer management plan, but if anybody’s curious as to what we’re doing there, I encourage them to read that. But, you know, right now that was, you know, our last council meeting was a lot of land use stuff. Good things. Essentially all but one project was equity. And, you know, and all of it was city negotiated a less dense product taken into consideration, traffic and other things. So, you know, I think these are going to be, it’s going to be new injection of life into property that right now is stagnated. So good things. And we’ll continue to drive forward.
00:38:05 – Rico Figliolini
Sounds good. We’ve been spending our time with Brian Johnson, City Manager. Always appreciate his willingness to come on and talk about things. Southwest Gwinnett Magazine, let me just show you. This just is probably hitting your mailbox this week. Wesleyan Artist Market, that’s happening at the end of April. So check this out. Some decently good stories in here about summer camps. And local author, Great Atlantic Christian and their expansion and some other things. Even a former Beatles tribute drummer who just opened a coffee shop here on Peachtree Industrial Boulevard. Well, Peachtree Boulevard, actually. I need to start saying that.
00:38:46 – Brian Johnson
There’s still a section that’s PIB.
00:38:49 – Rico Figliolini
Is it?
00:38:50 – Brian Johnson
I mean, technically, it’s Peachtree Boulevard if you’re heading north from 285 until the split. At the split, if you stay on the right heading north, it’s still PIB. It’s only Peachtree Boulevard while it’s a state route.
00:39:08 – Rico Figliolini
Gotcha. Thanks for explaining.
00:39:08 – Brian Johnson
There is still a section of PIB as it heads up into Gwinnett. Yeah. You got to be a government junkie to know all this stuff.
00:39:17 – Rico Figliolini
No, I appreciate that. And I’m more of a political junkie than government junkies.
00:39:23 – Brian Johnson
I’m paid to be a government junkie.
00:39:25 – Rico Figliolini
For sure. Thank you Brian, everyone else yeah no, hang with me for a second. But everyone else thank you. You’ll find the important links below and if this is on YouTube or Facebook, just check out our website and you’ll for this post, this podcast post and you’ll see all the links in there leading back to pictures and all sorts of things that you need. Alright thank you guys, appreciate you being with us, bye.
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