Elections and Politics
A Talk with Mary Robichaux on Education, Public Safety, Expansion of Healthcare and Peachtree Corners
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On this episode of Peachtree Corners Life, Rico interviews Mary Robichaux, current Representative of Georgia House District 48 and candidate for re-election. Listen in as Mary shares her experience as well as her views on topics like healthcare education, TSPLOST, public safety, and much more.
Mary’s Website: https://www.electmaryrobichaux.com/
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[00:00:30] – Intro
[00:01:12] – About Mary
[00:03:12] – Why Mary Began Running for Office
[00:07:55] – The Expansion of Healthcare
[00:15:20] – Updating the Education Model
[00:17:57] – High School Vocational Training Programs
[00:23:06] – Changes in TSPLOST
[00:25:14] – Opinions on MARTA Transportation
[00:29:18] – Working with Entrepreneurs and Startups
[00:32:27] – Community and Police Safety and Wellbeing
[00:38:51] – Mary Asks for Your Vote
[00:41:36] – Outro
“When we talk startups, we have to have a workforce educated and ready to go for these different new things. We’ve gotta make sure that they want to stay here… We’ve gotta make sure they stay here and that Georgia is the best place to run your business for various reasons. That you have a viable workforce, that you can get the investment capital you need, that your tax rates are gonna be appropriate. We can get this done.”
MARY RoBICHAUX
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Podcast Transcript
[00:00:30] Rico: Hi everyone, this is Rico Figliolini, host of Peachtree Corners Life. Before I introduce my guest today, I just want to say thank you to our sponsor of these shows, podcasts, and supporter of Peachtree Corners Magazine. And that’s EV Remodeling, Inc. Eli has been a great supporter of ours. He’s a Peachtree Corner resident. A great company, does good work out here. So check out his website, EVRemodelingInc.com. Thank you, Eli, for supporting in the shows that we do. Now, let’s get into it. We have another candidate today. Actually she’s an incumbent. Mary Robinshaw, Robichaux, let’s get that right. Mary Robichaux. Thanks for joining me, Mary. Appreciate that.
[00:01:12] Mary: Thank you, Rico. Thank you for having me. And again, I’m fine with my pronunciation of my name. I know it’s not the most common name here in Georgia. Although we’ve lived here in Georgia now 34 years.
[00:01:23] Rico: Oh, wow.
[00:01:23] Mary: So I’ve been in either Alpharetta or Roswell, so I do not live in Peachtree Corners. But so we’ve been here for those 34 years where my husband and I have been, actually in November we’ll be married 45 years. So met in high school and dated all through college. Married, I have twin sons that we’ve raised here in Georgia. Again, for us, it was over in Fulton County. They’re graduates of the Fulton County School System. So they’re now actually again next month they’ll be 41 years old. And now I have two beautiful granddaughters. It’s much more fun to be the grandmother, sometimes. My background’s healthcare, in my professional career. Again, 40 plus years in healthcare with a lot of different, both clinical and management level experience. Then what I did right before I won election in 2018, it was the first time I ever ran for office in my life. So that was kind of an interesting time for us. I actually was the vice president for the American Heart Association for the Division of Quality for the Southeast. So I did work with about 700 hospitals across the southeast making sure that we had good cardiovascular care delivery systems. And then we designed statewide systems of care that actually are still in place in a lot of states today. So very happy with that kind of concept. So that’s kind of my background, to give you a little bit. My husband, his background is IT with large corporations. But then probably about 20 years ago, he became what I would call a serial entrepreneur. So he likes to start companies and invest in companies. Some he keeps, well, mostly he’ll sell. Some have not been as successful as some of the others, so, but that’s life too, I think so.
[00:03:10] Rico: Sure.
[00:03:11] Mary: That’s kind of who I am.
[00:03:12] Rico: Well, what got you into running? I mean the original first office you landed in?
[00:03:18] Mary: Well, the first office I ran for was this office. I currently do represent what’s called House District 48. Which currently is actually majority Roswell, Georgia. Just over to your west and then I cover a little bit of Alpharetta. Redistricting will be taking place. So while the number stays the same, the district is shifting a little bit to the east. So that’s where now it will cover Roswell, Alpharetta, Johns Creek, and a small portion of Peachtree Corners.
[00:03:47] Rico: Right. I’m putting that map up actually. So that’s the new district that takes into Johns Creek, and then the portion of Peachtree Corners. Mostly west of Peachtree Industrial Boulevard, I think.
[00:03:58] Mary: Correct, toward John’s Creek, up toward the river.
[00:04:01] Rico: So very different from what you’re had before.
[00:04:05] Mary: Yeah, it’s very different. It changed probably about 70%. So I’m over in the Roswell corner on this. I am on the eastern portion of 400. So why I ran because again, in 2018 at the time there was, in my opinion it was the start of a lot of discourse between parties and between people. And I guess with my background in healthcare and what I did, what I was very good at in the healthcare realm was getting different voices to come to the table and to talk and to try to come up with solutions with the patient being our center of where we needed to make change. And that included doctors, nurses, insurance companies, hospitals, CEOs, all the different pieces that go into providing care in different cardiovascular diseases. So I was very good at facilitating those kinds of things to say, let’s all, we need to talk and we need to put our egos at the door. And sometimes that was a little challenging. But I was good at getting people to talk and come up with solutions. So when some of the discourse and what was going on in the district I currently represent, I felt that the representative at the time was not as willing to listen to others and to talk to all people to come up with those kinds of solutions. And I said, well, I’m gonna run. Because I think I do have that kind of capability to have what I call having those conversations with people. Because yelling and screaming at each other gets us nowhere. I’m sorry. It doesn’t, It never has. I grew up as one of seven children and yeah, we could yell and scream, but ultimately that’s not gonna solve a problem for us.
[00:05:46] Rico: The political landscape has changed quite a bit since 2018, or even before that, really.
[00:05:51] Mary: It has unfortunately, in my opinion. Theres still lot of ways to have those conversations.
[00:05:57] Rico: Yeah. I mean, it’s okay to stir the pot a little bit. That’s what I think happened with Donald Trump coming in to office. Not my favorite candidate, but he did stir the pot. He got people thinking about certain things. Certainly in my opinion, not the best president of the United States that we’ve had. But, the idea of looking at problems in a different way and also because people, to some degree, aren’t being heard. Even within the Democratic Party. I think that’s also the case. I think over the years, I think certain segments of the Democratic Party has been taken for granted, that they’ll be there.
[00:06:37] Mary: I think when we, the way I understand the parties, what’s interesting to me, when I first decided to run. When you looked, you go back and you look at people’s voting history, I was actually, my husband and I were classified as independents. Because we voted both ways, at the time. Now since 2016, I’ll be honest, I probably have not voted many for Republicans for various reasons. But, our histories have been, we voted both ways. Sometimes the system even of running for office is set up, you have to choose. It’s very difficult at the state, at this level. When I looked into it, qualifying to run as an independent would’ve required an exorbitant amount of signatures to even get on the ballot. And I said, well that doesn’t make any sense. So, and I lean more towards the Democratic. I’m probably progressive in more social aspects of governance and probably more fiscally conservative because I am one. I don’t think we should spend money we don’t have. I don’t do it in my personal life. But I do think there are valid things we need to be spending money on as a government and therefore we need to figure out how we’re gonna pay for it. People want to be heard. And I grew up in rural Louisiana, so I understand rural. I understand urban. I think we need to make sure everyone is getting the same types of chances, however we accomplish that.
[00:07:55] Rico: Right. So let’s get into some of the issues I think that you support or that you express. But one of them is sponsoring legislation to expand availability of Medicaid in the state of Georgia. That would add half a million people to the uninsured in Georgia.
[00:08:11] Mary: Correct.
[00:08:12] Rico: So if I understand correctly, the federal government would take care of a decent portion of that budget if we allow it to come in. But at some point the state will probably have to take over a decent portion of that budget.
[00:08:26] Mary: Well the Affordable Care Act currently, if we were to start it today, the federal government would cover 100% of the cost. That’s what’s still in place for at least the next two years, how much longer that will stay in effect. You’re correct. The current match, though, is nine to one. Could that change in the future? Yes. But I think when we just say, well, it’s gonna cost this much. But let’s, what we need to talk about though is what is it costing this state right now not to cover those 500,000 people?
[00:08:54] Rico: Okay.
[00:08:54] Mary: I would phrase it in a lot of different ways. Number one, we have to understand our federal tax dollars, even though we live in Georgia, goes into the pool that covers Medicaid across this country. So our dollars have left this state for that program in Kentucky, in Florida. So those are our dollars that have left this state already. I think we should bring those back. That’s number one. Number two, in my experience in healthcare, when we talk about the concept of what happens to those that are uninsured. Some people think, well, we don’t need to worry about them, it’s up to them how they get care. But we have to understand people who do not have insurance, typically the way they’re going to get help when they need healthcare coverage, it’s going to be at the point at which they’re gonna go to an emergency room. Now, sometimes they’re going there because they are so sick. That their cost is gonna be very, very high to cover them. Other times they’re going to that emergency room maybe because they have a sore throat and they can’t talk you know, I mean, they don’t understand. We have to understand in healthcare economics, covering care in an emergency room is one of the most expensive ways to deliver care versus preventative care models. So if we had a system that people had good preventative care access, it would prevent that. Because when that person goes into that emergency room, you and I are still paying for that. By law hospitals have to treat any patient who comes in their door, and that’s a federal law. We can’t change that. So, and then besides the concept of just covering people, we also know there are studies that show that when people have health insurance, their work productivity goes up. Anywhere from one to two percent overall. That to me would be a great boom for our economy, especially right now when we’re having issues with getting workforce in certain parts of the state. And then of course, we’re talking about the number of new jobs you know, the expansion of medicaid would do for this state. And I appreciate, and I think we should invest in places, companies like Rivian. The state’s putting in close to 1.2 to 1.6 billion dollars, which is fine to bring in an industry that’s gonna give us about 7,000 jobs. Healthcare, Medicaid expansion if done well and correctly in all the other things that need to happen. Which, that’s why I know how I do things. Lower estimates are talking about 60,000 new jobs in this state. It’s an investment. And again, I’m gonna say one last thing, and I know I talked too much.
[00:11:33] Rico: No, no.
[00:11:33] Mary: I was at a meeting with the president of the Georgia Chamber of Commerce the other week. And he stood up there and said, we are at the point now we need to consider healthcare as infrastructure. The government supports and pays roads. We’re doing broadband expansion. We do utilities. In a lot of ways healthcare is infrastructure. How are we going to do that? We need to fix our infrastructure of healthcare, period.
[00:12:00] Rico: I agree. Part of that problem is that I think that people don’t understand really, is that especially in the age of Covid, when people are sick like that. Number one, a lot of people that would use Medicaid are lower income people that don’t have that insurance, that are working hourly jobs, that have to leave that job to be able to go to get medical coverage. And if they have contagious diseases like Covid or like others because they may not have been vaccinated, that’s a worst case scenario for the rest of the population. So that’s the way I look at it also, that it, it’s not good community security to allow half a million people, let’s say, without insurance like that.
[00:12:41] Mary: Right. And I think it’s part of our workforce that I think is untapped. Because if you have a chronic disease that basically you cannot get care for, a lot of times you’re unable to work until you can get care. So it’s this you know, chicken before the egg concept. I’m not against people working, but sometimes if you can’t work because you’re so sick, we’re not going to give you healthcare until you can work?
[00:13:06] Rico: Yeah, and I can, I can understand the budget part though. Where the federal government is paying all that money. But at some point that money may go away and the state has to pick up that budget and where do they fund that from? I think that’s part of that program.
[00:13:20] Mary: Right. Again, we fund education, we fund healthcare now. We just have to decide how we’re going to do it. And I’m not saying Medicaid expansion in and of itself is going to fix our entire healthcare systems. There’s other things we need to do. Let’s all be honest. You know, reimbursement rates need to be adjusted. We need to look at opportunities to expand private pay and, or to force private insurances to live up to what they’re telling the people who have insurance they’re going to cover. So we need to clean up a lot of things.
[00:13:51] Rico: For sure.
[00:13:52] Mary: And to figure out what, I would call out of the box thinking ways to cover people that doesn’t always have to be Medicaid. So like I was talking the other day to some members of the Police Benevolent Society of Georgia. I didn’t know this, because I mean, up here we have great police forces and first responders who their healthcare coverage is done by our municipalities. We have the funds, they can buy in. There are municipalities in Georgia, they are so small, their police officers do not have healthcare coverage. Because the municipalities are so small they can’t afford it. My thought was, and I’ve already, okay, so Georgia State troopers have an insurance form policy. Why can we not as a state, figure out a way at an appropriate prorated model to allow those same police officers who are serving their communities to buy into the state plan? I’m thinking those are the kinds of things we need to identify. Where can we expand that, make it better, but yet still cover all? And the 500,000 that we do need to cover probably with Medicaid. And I would think sometimes that that number of Medicaid recipients as they go back to work, as we make it better for them, their numbers are going to drop off of Medicaid. Once you get that full time job because your health has improved and things look better. You get that job that you can get some private insurance.
[00:15:20] Rico: That makes sense. So let’s move on to education. We’ll wanna be able to cover a couple of issues as well. Education, obviously in the city of Peachtree Corners, we have a couple of private schools. We have a great public school system here. Simpson Elementary, Pinckneyville Middle, Norcross High School. And there are a lot of involved parents in these schools also. Peachtree Elementary. I mean, there’s a score of schools around here. Wesleyan is a private school. But speaking about the public model, I think one of the things that you spoke about is updating the 30 year model for state funding of public schools.
[00:15:56] Mary: Right.
[00:15:57] Rico: Tell me a little bit about what that would mean and then let’s get quickly after that into high school vocational training programs, which I’m big for. That makes sense to do that.
[00:16:07] Mary: So specifically the QBE formula, actually the Gwinnett County Public School Systems is one of the ones that is being the most disadvantaged right now with the old model. It’s based off of your total population of students in the system, but it also comes into what your tax base is there within your county and some other formularies. But what’s built in there too is if you are a much smaller county, the percentage of the state dollars that you get is much higher than the percentage that say a Gwinnett or a Fulton County gets. So in effect, and I’m not saying that we shouldn’t do it up to a point. But I think we need to review that to say, so why should Gwinnett, and Gwinnett is actually the highest one. I think you’re getting only about 82 cents on the quote-unquote QBE dollar, which helps subsidize some parts of rural Georgia and other parts of Georgia that are receiving 130 plus percent per student cost. Now I just think we need to re-look at that. We need to balance it based on local tax base, but I think we need to understand why are we doing it based on something that’s 30 years old? Let’s review it. Let’s understand that there are opportunities that maybe Gwinnett needs to come up to 90 plus percent of that. There’s just some opportunities there.
[00:17:38] Rico: Right.
[00:17:39] Mary: Especially in the areas where of our state, as you probably know, we’ve had a reduction in population. Versus in this area we’ve had such an increase in population. So some of this is based on, oh, population, new population. So there’s a lot of things we need to look at and readjust in my opinion.
[00:17:57] Rico: Okay. What about the high school vocational training programs that you advocate for? That public partnership or public-private partnership?
[00:18:05] Mary: I think that is a great opportunity. You know, I’ve had conversations with business owners. A lot of them car dealerships, places that they can’t find people to work as, mechanics, although now I would call them computer technician mechanics. Because I mean, let’s face it, our cars nowadays. And other opportunities, and again, in this area we have Gwinnett Tech, we have those kinds of things. But we also have, one of the things since I’ve been serving, I was able to visit down in South Georgia, there’s actually a true apprenticeship program. Which is different than an internship. The apprenticeship program, you have a private manufacturing company pays a portion along with the state in that students are recruited in the 10th grade. And it becomes part of their high school curriculum. They go and they work X number of hours in this manufacturing plant learning computer skills. They’re not allowed to operate big chainsaws and dangerous equipment per se, because of age requirements. But they start in 10th grade, they then learn some more skills such as computer designing. Some of these 3D printing manufacturing companies are doing it. In 11th grade they start to get a salary, and I think it’s around $9 an hour. But they’re still going to school full time. I mean, it’s a part half. 12th grade, I think it goes up to $11 an hour. But what happens, and it’s done through a program model actually, through a European model. So when they graduate from high school, they get a high school diploma. They get a two year associate degree diploma from the university system of Georgia, and they get a guaranteed job starting at approximately $60,000 a year. And they get an international certification in their specialty. I think we need to be doing that all over the place in different areas, not just manufacturing. You know, and here in Roswell, our schools, we started in elementary school, a program through my Rotary Club. We do Home Builders of America. We have groups that we go in, in high school, and it’s an elective kind of an after school program. At first in elementary school, we go in and we teach them how to build a frame structure. In Middle School, we go and we build the structures a little bit bigger and they learn how to put electricity in it. And then in high school they’re learning something else. So they come away with some skills, whether or not they’re going to be electricians, plumbers, whatever. My plumber makes a lot of money and my electrician. Think about finishing high school with a skill set that you could be certified in. And then if you choose to become an electrical engineer and go to college, you could still work. 60,000 plus a year to start right out of high school. I think that’s a pretty good job personally.
[00:20:55] Rico: Yeah, I totally agree. I would hope the state could take some leadership in that to be able to help bring that across. Because I agree with the apprenticeship, done in Europe and other parts of this country, like Michigan, is really important, right?
[00:21:09] Mary: So yes, I’m talking to some of the, again, up here in my area we have a Honda Innovation plant, so they’re bringing in interns. But I’m already talking with them. How can we convert that to an apprenticeship? That it’s a private public partnership that makes this happen for our students.
[00:21:23] Rico: I mean, essentially what’s happening is that these kids, some of them are not gonna go on to college. That’s not what they want maybe.
[00:21:31] Mary: Right.
[00:21:32] Rico: They want to get out into the workforce. And there are companies out there that are dying. They can’t find the workers out there. And imagine having that pipeline to be able to fill those jobs.
[00:21:44] Mary: That’s my idea. You know, when my kids were in high school, in Milton they took a semester of shop. Which is fine. But I think again, if students really wanted to learn more nowadays, it’s not just learning how to change a belt, it’s the whole computers and you have to be very highly educated to do these things.
[00:22:02] Rico: Yeah. I think the schools that bring in that, if you’re gonna learn how to do an HVAC system, that should let these kids work on an HVAC system, touch, take it apart, see how it’s working. Those kids are the ones that are gonna be able to take advantage of this type of process.
[00:22:18] Mary: And we you know, this state does have, we have that program, where there are sixteen specific career program paths in the technical college system that students can go to. And it’s a two year program, but basically the state pays 100% of the cost. So with things like EMT, there’s some other different things that we’ve put in place. So I think we need to expand that in a lot of ways. But also look for other opportunities that businesses, you know, to me when a business can identify someone very young, and then to teach them what they really need to know to succeed in their business. That’s the mentorship concept.
[00:22:59] Rico: That’s right. It works well in Europe. I think it would work right here.
[00:23:02] Mary: Right. You know, modifying it how it would work for us. But I think it would be a great thing.
[00:23:06] Rico: Correct. SPLOST. Now The City of Peachtree Corners gets probably the biggest share of SPLOST in this county. Because of the size of the city and stuff. One of the things that you’re, that you have been talking about or on your website is the continued oversight of TSPLOST and programs. Do you see a problem there? Do you see anything that needs to change?
[00:23:29] Mary: I think we’ve made some changes and again, not that the state legislature needs to do the audits, but that the audits need to be done in the contracting process. Sometimes when designs are done and I would like to make sure. And again, I’m in Roswell so we all have that same issue. That the cities or the municipalities that these TSPLOST, as you know, some of it is determined how much is state pay, federal pay versus local municipalities have to be responsible for. And depending on that percentage is who gets control of design of the project. Sometimes it’ll also be two heads butting against each other. So I would like to make sure that the municipalities who are gonna be affected by these changes have as much, if not more, say into those design aspects where appropriate. Sometimes it just is what it is, a bridge has to be done a certain way. And I understand that. But I think there are lots of other opportunities to have more input from local areas into some of these designs and how that money is spent. Since it’s all of our tax money.
[00:24:40] Rico: So more local control?
[00:24:41] Mary: Well, local control slash local input. I think sometimes a lot of municipalities that I’ve had the pleasure of working with don’t feel they’ve had as much input as they should. And that someone’s really listening to them. And I’m not a traffic engineer, I don’t know. But I think most of us are relatively intelligent people that you explain this in a way, you know, you gotta explain it to us in a way that really does make sense. Don’t just tell me it is, it is because the traffic guys say this. I’ll probably want to question that a little bit more.
[00:25:14] Rico: That makes sense. Sticking to transportation to some degree. The big thing here in Gwinnett County has been quite a few times, there’s been votes on MARTA coming in. And it’s been turned down quite a few times. There’s so many times that this keeps coming up. Inevitably I believe that MARTA will be approved eventually down the line. Maybe within the decade. This county has changed demographic wise. Getting people employed here and moving around in the right way needs to change a little bit. So how do you feel about MARTA coming into Gwinnett? I mean, how would you want see that done?
[00:25:47] Mary: Right.
[00:25:48] Rico: With the way that I think a billion dollars a mile doesn’t make sense to me, but.
[00:25:53] Mary: No. And I think, again, so I live off 400. But I’m about six miles from the last MARTA train station. Then we have bus service up in my area on the major arteries. It’s not into the neighborhoods. Again, that’s where to me, the locals do have to have input. I personally do think MARTA is going to be a benefit if it’s designed correctly to meet the needs of the citizens of Gwinnett. To bring people in that could work. People that are maybe living in one part of your county that want to work in another part, but you know, affordable housing issues that they need transportation over. If you don’t have those kinds of transportations, you’re stuck. By my areas up the North Point Mall, so now we do have a bus line that comes up to North Point Mall so that it brings a lot of employees that can come up and work in that area. So I think that’s good. I’m not a big fan of Heavy Rail. I mean, I just don’t think Georgia is gonna really go that route in the next 20, 30 years. I mean, maybe very, very high future. The train itself, you know, I’m being honest. So I head down 400 when I go downtown to go to a Atlanta United game or to a game in downtown, we catch MARTA. And it’s a great ride versus driving my car down, paying twenty to forty dollars to park to attend a sporting event. On those times, especially the people on the trains, everybody’s got their jersey you know, it’s kind of like you’re tailgating in the train. So I’ve had positive experiences. When I used to work for the American Heart Association, I traveled every week on planes. So I would also take MARTA, again from the North Fulton Station all the way to the airport. It was a 45 minute ride, it was great.
[00:27:43] Rico: Right. I can see what you’re saying. I mean, I, coming from New York, I mean, I used to take the subway and stuff then I took the coach bus because it was easier. A little bit more money, but it was easier. And I felt safer actually, because at the time was during the late eighties and in the seventies. It was a little different on the subways. And maybe, one of my kids too, MARTA as a commuter to GSU to attend college campus. He wasn’t always feeling safe on MARTA. So different people had different experiences, not just on the system, but even at the stops.
[00:28:16] Mary: Right.
[00:28:16] Rico: Unfortunately. But that’s the nature of those types of mass transit. So I understand you’re not into the heavy rail. Neither am I. I don’t think the expense makes sense. Light rail makes more sense maybe, or certainly bus rapid transit like that.
[00:28:30] Mary: One of the things too that Marta is now testing, and again, not in our area yet. But literally, especially for those people that more toward the disability that you can actually call, a MARTA smaller transport bus will show up at your door.
[00:28:46] Rico: I’ve seen that.
[00:28:47] Mary: So again, I think those are the kinds of things we need to explore lots of different options in regards to safety. I think you know, and again, I’ve never had a problem or feeling unsafe on MARTA. And I understand people, I think we need to solve that problem and make it safer in all of its different variances. We can make it safe and we need to do that. But I would say sometimes too, think about driving down Peachtree Industrial Boulevard you know, sometimes is that, that can be dangerous too.
[00:29:18] Rico: In a different way. Yes, certainly. So Peachtree Corners is a city that likes to talk about itself as a smart city. We have Atlanta Tech Park, which is an accelerator. Curiosity Lab at Peachtree Corners, which handles a lot of startups in there. Because of the street system, the autonomous vehicle presence that we keep promoting, lots of companies are moving here from even foreign countries. And companies are relocating into Peachtree Corners.
[00:29:48] Mary: Right.
[00:29:49] Rico: I know you’re a big advocate for working with start-ups, providing certain benefits for entrepreneurs. So tell me you know, in short, where you stand some of those issues, what you think could benefit Peachtree Corners and what you’d like to work on.
[00:30:03] Mary: Well, I think there’s a couple of things, and again our statistics are showing that Georgia is a great place for a startup company. But what we’re also seeing that after that first year, unfortunately, a lot of our companies are having some issues. That if they can make it to five years, much less grow from, say make it to over 50 employees. So there’s those opportunities. So I would like to look at concepts. How do we, again, connect these startups? And I think that’s what we do in Innovation Labs across the state. Connect them with mentors, successful businesses, support, but not just for the startup. I think it’s, once you’ve hit that certain phase, you’re gonna still need money to grow your business. Now, one of the things is to me, when we talk about angel investors. What happens unfortunately in Georgia, if you’re an angel investor, you will take your money because most startups or most businesses, even if you’re at that six months to one year process, that they’re still eligible or startup angel investors are interested investing in. You sign on that you’re not gonna get any return on your money for at least five years. Well, Georgia tax code makes it difficult that as an angel investor, you’re not going to get the tax breaks for that kind of investment if you invest here in Georgia. Versus if you invest as an angel investor in North Carolina, you actually do. So my husband and I, we do a little bit of angel investing. So, and I’m not saying just for us, but I think we need to make it not just individuals, but also some of these other companies who want to invest maybe in some startup companies that would help their businesses grow and expand and produce some things. How do we make that viable for investment? I think we also, when we talk startups, again, we do talk about we have to have a workforce educated and ready to go for these different new things. So we’ve gotta work on that. We’ve gotta make sure that they want to stay here. We have amazing educational systems, especially in our higher ed educational systems that are doing some amazing research and startup concepts. But we’ve gotta make sure they stay here and that Georgia is the best place to run your business for various reasons. That you have a viable workforce, that you can get the investment capital you need, that your tax rates are gonna be appropriate. We can get this done.
[00:32:27] Rico: Cool. Okay. Last subject, Mary. I appreciate the time you’ve given me on this. So, we’ll talk about community safety. That’s a big thing I think in any community. I think people want to feel safe where they live. They want to understand that crime hopefully doesn’t touch them. But crime is everywhere, right? I think the more that we look at social media, it’s amazing what’s out there. If you watch TikTok long enough, you’d be like, is this happening all over the place? So it’s crazy stuff. The City of Peachtree Corners is using fūsus, a company that does crime center in the cloud. Real time being able to interdit before crimes happen almost. Or while it’s happening actually. And that’s how they were able to find, to some degree, the three perpetrators that did the shooting at the QT on Peachtree Parkway. Killed a young man that, just for his car, they ended up finding all three of them. And I’m sure they’re going to be vigorously prosecuting them. How do you think the state can help in furthering along public safety or community safety in some of these ways?
[00:33:33] Mary: So you know, there’s lots of ways. Some of the things we have approved and some people didn’t like. The road cameras to detect not just speeding, but they do detect a lot of other things. I’m a big proponent as much as possible for local control for certain things. The state needs to support it, but the state also needs to get out of the way. If a local municipality wants to do cameras such as Peachtree Corners is doing to make sure they, you know, and their police department works with that, I think that’s okay. There are some who would like to say nowhere in this state can you do that. It may not be appropriate in certain cities and they don’t want it. That’s okay. My neighborhood, my husband is on the HOA and he was in charge of public safety here in the neighborhood. And we just, in my neighborhood, we put in the cameras so that any car that comes in or out of our neighborhood, we’re recording the license plate. Now nothing happens except if a homeowner reports a crime, the police have the right to request those camera views. So they can at least see if it’s something they can track through that. I think again, the state should never put a restriction that they, even that can happen. Some people say, well, we’re invading your privacy. And I think it’s a balancing act. You know, I don’t want the camera in my phone. But taking a picture of my license plate, I’m okay personally. Some people aren’t. But I think too the state needs to fund more. We know that there are municipalities unfortunately, that we are in a shortage for various reasons. You know, it’s a tough time. Currently there are a lot of things we need to fix. One of the things we did with the Mental Health Parity Act actually was increase funding for training for our officers across the state to get more training in deescalation techniques in mental health crisis situations. That’s one set of issues that I believe our police officers deal with that they need that additional support too. And crime. I think with GBI, one of the things I was talking with also with the Police Benevolent Society, and again, I want to be honest, my son and daughter-in-laws are both attorneys both were Assistant DAs. My daughter-in-law now is a Assistant US Attorney in the Southern District and my son is in criminal defense now. But one of the things that the Benevolent Society was telling me about was that there is a law, it’s called the Giglio rule, that so a DA in an area can say, I don’t like you as a police officer. So I’m gonna say that you are lying. And it’s a little bit more complicated than that, obviously there. If it’s a federal prosecutor who does that, there’s some investigation and that person then goes under what’s called the Giglio rule, which means you’re basically labeled a liar whenever you go to testify in court by law. But the state, while that’s federal and that would be different, but the state actually has its own kind of rules that that can happen here in the state. Police officers right now have no recourse to fight that. And I think they should. So I think we need to look for those things that, not just the violence and the threat of life that they are put under. But what other things, as we also are looking for ways in which to reduce our crime rates, that we can do to make it better for them to be a police officer.
[00:36:51] Rico: Sure.
[00:36:52] Mary: I think we need to have those opportunities when there is an unfortunate police involved shooting. We need to understand that that police officer is also under stress and we need to talk to them and understand that, but make sure that his rights are also preserved. And not just make an assumption.
[00:37:11] Rico: Right.
[00:37:11] Mary: I think there are ways we can go through that. I think we need to re-look at ways in which, how do we, unfortunately open up some of our, let’s call them jail beds, because once you’re in prison, I think that’s different versus you’re incarcerated if you can’t pay a bail. So you’re not even have gone to trial, and yet our system becomes so overloaded with people who cannot make bail for sometimes relatively minor things. I’m not saying everyone should get out, and I’m not saying it should be easy, but we’ve gotta figure out a way. We’ve gotta have more beds to get more people off the streets so they’re not being released when they shouldn’t be. But they’re also not being held when they shouldn’t be. And I’m not the expert on that, but I think we need to look at that.
[00:37:53] Rico: And that gets a little, that gets a little complicated too sometimes. Because I’ve seen, and we’ve seen it on social media, where some things are considered misdemeanors. When you actually look the video of what happened, it’s like, why aren’t they being held on bail?
[00:38:08] Mary: Right. So I think some of that we need to revisit. Many people do need to be held, but there are some, that maybe there’s ways we could do this a little different. To make it easier for our police officers. I think we need to understand from the police officer’s perspective. I cannot imagine living that when I pull over someone just for a traffic stop, that I am walking up to the possibility of someone just pulling a gun on me. And I think that is very dangerous. So I think we need to understand that that’s what they live with. So how do we change that? I don’t know that we can change it one day, but I think there are ways we can work together to make it a little bit better.
[00:38:51] Rico: Cool. We’ve come to pretty much the end of our time together, Mary. So what I’d normally like to do is ask the individual interviewed to be able to ask for the vote. Tell people where they can find more information about Mary Robichaux. And just, ask for that vote.
[00:39:09] Mary: So again I’ve been honored to serve as the incumbent for the last four years for House District 48. And I know to those of you in Peachtree Corners, I’m new there. But I have served there for four years. I think when we talk about, I’m one of those that we need to work with each other to get things done. I work behind the scenes. I’ve never been one that seeks the limelight. As my husband would say, I hide from the limelight sometimes just because it’s not in my nature. When I was in healthcare, I always did things with the patient as the center of my focus of improving whatever project I was working on. When I went to the legislature, I switched that to the constituent is the center of my focus. I’ve taken votes that some would say, why are you voting this way or that way? And that comes from both sides of the aisle, trust me. But I feel that I look at the vote to understand how’s it going to affect my constituents? And then also, how’s it going to affect all of Georgia? Because again, while I represent the constituents of House District 48, I also understand that my vote that could affect all of Georgians will ultimately have an effect on my constituents here. So I try to balance that, I try to think long term. I want solutions. I don’t want to just be stuck in a mire of pointing fingers at each other. If you didn’t do this, so you didn’t do this. We need to move past that. We are a great country. I would like to say I am the daughter of a son who was a World War II veteran. He unfortunately passed last year at the age of 95. My dad was the youngest of eight children. My dad grew up in a two room sharecropper shack in the middle of a sugar king field in Louisiana. And I feel this country allows someone like me to get to where I am now. I live in Country Club of Roswell, have a great life. My family has, we’ve had some great opportunities that we’ve taken advantage of. And I think all Georgians want those same opportunities. And I just want to fight to make sure that we all have that. That we’re all held accountable. That we do it in a way that continues to push us forward. So if you want to find out more about me, again my name is Mary Robichaux and I do serve as the representative currently. My website is www.ElectMaryRobichaux.com. It’s all one word, so if you want more information. And you can contact me through that website also.
[00:41:36] Rico: Great. Mary, I appreciate your time this morning. Thank you and good luck on your campaign.
[00:41:42] Mary: Thank you, that was great.
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Councilmember Sadd to Host Town Hall Meeting on October 29
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October 21, 2024Post 1 Councilmember Phil Sadd is hosting a non-partisan town hall meeting at Winters Chapel United Methodist Church on Tuesday, October 29 at 7 p.m.
The meeting will begin with an update on activities in the City of Peachtree Corners and an overview of plans for future projects.
“The upcoming town hall will not only provide our residents with information and an opportunity to ask questions, but will also allow me to hear directly from them about their concerns and desires for the future of our city,” said Sadd.
Topics to be discussed include:
- New development/redevelopment
- Trails and parks
- Transportation improvement projects
- November 5 ballot questions
- Candidates for state and county local seats
An informative public forum
For the upcoming November 5 election, Peachtree Corners voters will have decisions to make on very important local issues. Topics on the ballot include a county-wide transit SPLOST referendum, amendments to the state constitution and the election of local state and county Officials.
“Unfortunately, there hasn’t been a public forum in Peachtree Corners during this election cycle that covers all these topics,” Sadd stated. “Every voter should have the opportunity to be informed about every item on the ballot, so they fully understand each question they need to answer and each vote they need to make.”
The Town Hall will provide information about these topics, as well as an opportunity to hear from and meet the local state (both senate and house) and county (chairman and commissioner) candidates that are on the ballot.
For more information, visit peachtreecornersga.gov.
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Regina Matthews in Run-Off June 18 for Gwinnett Superior Court Judge
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June 16, 2024This run-off election decides who will serve on the court.
Magistrate Court Judge Regina Matthews is a candidate for the upcoming June 18th runoff election for Superior Court Judge in Gwinnett County. Regina discusses improving court efficiency by setting deadlines, utilizing magistrates and senior judges, virtual hearings, digitizing processes, and maintaining accurate records. She also discusses challenges like housing insecurity’s impact on crime, accountability courts, and public engagement. The Run-off is Tuesday, June 18th. Host Rico Figliolini.
Resources:
Regina’s Website:
https://judgematthews.com/
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00:00:00 – Magistrate Judge Regina Matthews on Local Politics
00:01:19 – Importance of Voting in Runoff Elections
00:04:17 – The Varied Responsibilities of Superior Court Judges
00:07:22 – Strategies for Reducing Court Backlogs
00:11:29 – Adapting Court Proceedings to Virtual Platforms
00:14:00 – Addressing Housing Insecurity to Reduce Recidivism
00:17:17 – Housing Scarcity and Mental Health Challenges in the Court System
00:20:19 – Navigating Limited Resources in the Justice System
00:21:59 – Challenges in the Court System: Lack of Resources and Prioritizing Treatment 00:26:32 – Increasing Awareness of Available Services
00:27:51 – Embracing Law Enforcement: Building Community Ties
00:30:20 – Balancing AI Benefits and Risks in the Legal System
00:33:33 – Continuing Accountability Courts and Upholding Judicial Integrity
00:37:09 – Serving with Integrity as a Judge
Podcast Transcript
Transcript:
Rico Figliolini 0:00:01
Hi, everyone. This is Rico Figliolini, host of Peachtree Corners Life, a podcast that talks about politics, culture and all things going on in Peachtree Corners or that affects Peachtree Corners. So I have a great guest today, Regina Matthews. Hey, Regina, thanks for being with us.
Regina Matthews 0:00:17
Thank you for having me. I’m delighted to be here, Rico.
Rico Figliolini 0:00:20
Absolutely. It’s very important, important times here. We just had that primary in May, and you and another candidate are in a runoff June 18.
Regina Matthews 0:00:31
That is correct.
Rico Figliolini 0:00:33
Right. So let me introduce you a little better. Regina’s from Chicago, went to school in South Carolina and ended up here in Georgia going to Emory law school. You’ve been, you live in Lowburn, you have two kids. They both play soccer. You have a dog. You’ve been working actually as a Magistrate judge. And you were appointed by eleven Gwinnett County Superior court judges along with the chief magistrate judge appointed you to this position. I think it was 2020.
Regina Matthews 0:01:02
Correct.
Rico Figliolini 0:01:03
And you’ve been serving in that position ever since. So what I’d like you to do is because most people don’t know what a magistrate judge does, maybe you can tell us a little bit about yourself and what that position actually does. Go ahead.
Regina Matthews 0:01:17
Well, yes, and thank you for that introduction. I am happy to be here. And again, thank you for doing this because I’ll just start off by saying, you know, you mentioned our runoff election, and I know that a lot of people don’t show up to vote in runoff elections historically. So hopefully we will change that. Hopefully people will get out and vote. This is an important election. It is the only county wide election on the ballot. So, you know, if you’re anywhere in Gwinnett, you can vote for this particular race.
Rico Figliolini 0:01:52
Not only that, it’s a nonpartisan race. So what happens here June 18 decides the position does not go to November, does not go into a general election. This is it. If you’re not there to vote for this position between two candidates, you’ve lost your chance to do that. So sorry, I just want to put that out.
Regina Matthews 0:02:12
Thank you for that distinction, because that is an important one. And sometimes people also want to know, like, what ballot do I need to choose in order to vote for judge? It’s on every ballot. Nonpartisan, republican, democratic. But you’re right. If you don’t vote in this runoff, you will miss the opportunity to select who will hold this judicial seat for the next four years. But going back to your question, I do service as a magistrate judge currently in Gwinnett, we have part time magistrates and full time magistrates and there is a distinction in my current role. I was appointed so that I could provide judicial assistance primarily for our superior court judges. But we also, as full time judges, do sometimes sit in our state courts, you know, wherever we’re needed. Juvenile court, probate court, recorders court. We’re sort of the judges that kind of get pulled in different directions. But 95% of my time on the bench is in superior court. So the eleven superior court divisions that I sit for, basically what those judges do, they sign what are called judicial assistance orders. So when a judge meets my assistance, they will issue an order giving me the authority to sit in their courtroom and handle, you know, their caseload. So I hear everything that the elected superior court judges hear. I’ve been designated, I think, at this point two hundred times by our superior court judges. And, you know, we hear primarily family law and felony criminal prosecutions. That comprises about 70% of the caseload in our courts. The other 30% are general civil cases. So it could be anything from an appeal from magistrate court, property tax appeals, unemployment benefit appeals, contract disputes, court actions. I mean, the list is long and extensive, so, you know, but that’s basically what I do every day.
Rico Figliolini 0:04:20
So, basically, it’s fair to say that even though you’re not doing the job of a superior court judge, you’re doing work for them. You’ve been exposed to those cases, you’ve done support work for them, essentially.
Regina Matthews 0:04:36
Correct. That is correct. And what I will say is, you know, it’s an interesting and intense vetting process. When our superior court judges choose, you know, who they want to appoint to these positions, because ideally, you know, they want someone, an attorney who has practiced primarily in the areas that the superior court judges here. So, again, that’s primarily family and criminal. So if you have a background as a practicing attorney in those areas, typically you’re going to be better suited, you know, to serve in superior court. You know, that’s vastly what we do.
Rico Figliolini 0:05:17
And there’s eleven superior court judges in Gwinnett county.
Regina Matthews 0:05:22
That is correct.
Rico Figliolini 0:05:23
And do they handle budgets of the court? Now, do the individual superior court judge handles the budget for their section, if you will, or is it done as consolidated between the eleven?
Regina Matthews 0:05:38
So each of the judges has their own budget, but they are similar budgets, if that makes sense. So it’s not like one judge is going to have a different budget than the other judges. I mean, you have the same amount of money allocated. What happens is, you know, the judges will go to the board of commissioners to make their pitch as to what it is, you know, is needed. So if their budgets need to be increased from year to year, it’s sort of a collective bench decision, or pitch, so to speak, as to establishing what the budget should be. But then the judges have control over the money that’s allocated to them individually.
Rico Figliolini 0:06:20
Okay, so then, so judges are not just sitting on a bench. They’re also doing administrative work. They’re also handling budget requirements and the work through of what needs to be done in a court system, if you will.
Regina Matthews 0:06:37
That is correct. Some of it is administrative, and some of it, you know, I think people tend not to think about this part of the job, but a lot of times, what you’re doing is also, you know, finding out how to effectively manage your cases and, you know, the best and most effective way to handle, you know, disposing of cases in a way that’s responsive, responsible, and responsive to the needs of the people, which is having, you know, efficient resolution of their cases. And so a lot of that, honestly just comes from experience knowing what works and what doesn’t work to kind of move cases along.
Rico Figliolini 0:07:16
Right. So, okay, so we segue into that part of case management, if you will. Not just that, but the backlog, that was exasperated because of COVID I mean, there was backlog before, but it got worse because of COVID So, yeah, so this backlog, case management, how do you handle, what are the strategies that you would use to resolve some of these things? I know from experience, it’s one thing, but what, in effect, would you do to make this better?
Regina Matthews 0:07:47
Right. And I will say, I think that people should know that there are some court divisions that operate without a backlog. People find that hard to believe. And we sort of hear, you know, about this backlog, and it sticks with us, there are some divisions that do have a backlog, but some of them operate without one. I will tell you division five, which is the position or the division that I’m running for. Judge Byers, I will say, and I used to work with her as a staff attorney. So, you know, I know very specifically how she does her case management, but she’s been very effective in scheduling cases. And I always say one of the things you can do as a judge is aggressively schedule cases. And what that means is, you know, when you show up to court and you see a courtroom full of people, that means that judge has probably aggressively scheduled that calendar. So there are some judges who may call in one case or two cases. But if those cases, you know, resolve, and they often do when they come to court, the attorneys talk or the parties talk, and they resolve it right then and there. And then if you’ve only called in one or two cases, for example, then you have the rest of the day gone because you’ve only called in those two cases. So, you know, I think aggressive case calendaring, I think using our mediation services and our courts helps move cases along to resolution so that in many cases, those, you know, lawsuits or disputes don’t even reach us to a trial capacity because they’re resolved earlier on in the litigation. Judges can also issue, particularly in civil cases, case management, or case scheduling orders, which dictate to the attorneys or the parties specific deadlines that they have to meet in order, again, to help move the cases along. Because in some instances, you have cases where motions are filed over and over, and it just prolongs the litigation. But if you give strict deadlines and it makes sure people are, you know, held accountable to those deadlines, again, it keeps the cases moving efficiently. The other thing I think that helps is obviously, courts utilizing, you know, full time magistrates and our senior judges to help manage the cases. There are some judges who use us more than others, but I think anytime you have judges, you know, available who, of course, have been appointed because they have the requisite skills and knowledge to help, you know, hear those cases, I think we need to utilize them. And so those are the things I can think of off the top of my head. And also, I will add, using when you can, technology. We learned, obviously, during COVID that utilizing Zoom video conferencing for some types of hearings can make things move more efficiently as well. Obviously, you can’t do everything on Zoom, but there are some types of hearings that can be handled more efficiently that way.
Rico Figliolini 0:10:51
So let’s stick to the technology for a little bit, because that was a big deal during COVID took a little while to digitize the process, if you will. And now that you have it, you’re right, I can see certain cases itself in court, need to be in court. You need to be able to eye the participants of this. But certain promotions and other things that are administrative motions and stuff can all be done by Zoom, right? Or digital services of a sort.
Regina Matthews 0:11:21
Yeah, I agree. I think when you have, for instance, we hear a lot of motions, particularly in civil cases, where it’s just the attorneys coming to court to argue some issue in the law, and they just want to make a record, you know, to the courts and to argue their position on whatever that legal issue is. And so we’re not hearing evidence. You know, we’re not listening to witnesses. And so those types of hearings, I think, easily could be handled by Zoom or some sort of video conferencing technology. But as you said, other cases, you know, where we are hearing live testimony from witnesses, and we’re receiving a lot of evidence, you know, in the form of documentary evidence, then clearly those are instances in where we need to be.
Rico Figliolini 0:12:08
In person in court, not to get into the weeds. But I just thought about this. When you’re using Zoom like that on these types of things, will it transcribe as well? I mean, do you keep copies like that, even if it’s in a digital form?
Regina Matthews 0:12:25
So what we typically do, and in civil cases, you don’t have to have the case reported, but most oftentimes, the attorneys or the parties want that service. So we have our court reporters available on Zoom as well, so that they can make a record just like they would be able to if they were in court.
Rico Figliolini 0:12:43
Okay.
Regina Matthews 0:12:44
And additionally, you know, lawyers that are really savvy, they’re really, you know, I guess during COVID they became more savvy in how to introduce documents through Zoom, you know, how to share, use the screen sharing function, or how to attach documents as part of the Zoom video conferencing features. So, you know, we’ve worked around it, and I think, again, there are ways we can make it continue to work in order to make sure that our litigants are receiving effective and efficient resolution of their cases, because the last thing we want is for people to wait years unnecessarily to resolve a case.
Rico Figliolini 0:13:27
And I would think it’s easier this way, too, because you’re digitizing everything. You’re keeping files that way. I mean, automatically, I would think. And, in fact, probably within a year’s time, the transcription part can even be done through voice to text versus just having a transcriber there. There’s so much out there. I mean, you all have to, I guess, figure that out all the time. Keeps going. All right, so a couple of the other issues that’s near and dear to you, I think, that, you know, spoken of, obviously, through not just you, but other candidates and stuff. So one of them is housing and security. You mentioned that as a significant issue in Gwinnett county. So how do you propose the court system can address this issue effectively?
Regina Matthews 0:14:14
Yeah, and that’s a tough question. It’s one I struggle with and think about all the time, because I think the issue of housing insecurity sort of leads to other issues that we see in our courts, obviously, you know, people don’t have a safe place to live. It’s going to affect our crime rates. It’s going to affect recidivism. It’s going to affect people just being able to function in our community. So I think it comes down to resources, and that’s really one of the unfortunate practical realities for our courts, is a lot of times we want to, of course, help people. Courts are rehabilitative and to some extent. But when we have individuals who simply don’t have a place to go, for instance, I’m going to step aside a moment and talk about our accountability courts. So we have three in superior court, veterans court, mental health court, and drug courts. And all of those courts, obviously, operate for the purpose of establishing rehabilitative services and treatment services for individuals so that they don’t keep committing crimes, so that they don’t re offend, and so that they can be productive members of society. Those courts can only operate to their full extent if we have the appropriate resources in the communities available. We are limited, and that’s just the reality. So, for instance, when we have individuals who successfully complete one of those treatment programs, and there have been many, I can go on and on about the efficacy of those programs. But what I find is that they sometimes come back not because they’re not taking their medications or they’re not seeing their treatment providers, but it’s because they don’t have housing. So we send them through treatment. They do everything they need to do, but either because of their past or just because of the cost of living, they find themselves back in the courts because they’re on the street. So I don’t know what the solution is, other than really having our communities help us advocate to our legislators, to our commissioners to give us more funding so that we can try to establish appropriate housing in Gwinnett county. There are some places that work with our program that will provide transitional support in housing for people that are in our accountability courts, but it’s only temporary. So once they meet that threshold of time, then they’re sort of left to their own supports and connections to try to find affordable housing. And I know affordable housing is an issue everywhere. It’s not just in Gwinnett county, but for sure, yeah.
Rico Figliolini 0:17:11
I mean, there’s not enough. Everyone wants to go to the higher price tag. Land is becoming scarce, even in Gwinnett county, apparently in certain places. So they want to put as much as they can and still charge as much as they can. So sticking with this, too, because mental health and veterans court as well. Right. Both. Those also are issues that go hand in hand, almost actually, with housing insecurity. Right. And what you’re looking at is support from nonprofits that are helping and doing stuff with federal monies and donations, corporate donations. But it’s a tough track. Right. So how do you, yeah. How do you feel that, you know, with mental health, what is it, 500 prisoners or so in the Gwinnett prison system that probably shouldn’t be there? Many of them they probably should be. They should be treated, obviously. How do you, how does the court system, how can the court system help with that?
Regina Matthews 0:18:14
So again, it’s tough because of, honestly, the truth of the matter is we have limited capacity. And, you know, if you look at places where we send people, for instance, for inpatient treatment, we’re talking about Lakeview, they have about 124 beds. Summit Ridge, they have a little under 100 beds. Peachford, which is all the way out in Atlanta, they have about 250 beds or so. We have way more people that need to be to get inpatient treatment than there are beds. So a lot of times what happens is people sit and wait. So for those people that we know need treatment, and we’re not just going to send them back out in the community without it. We keep them in jail and we try to arrange, there are some treatments that the jail medical staff can assist with while they’re waiting for beds. But a lot of times, honestly, we’re just having people wait for open beds because so many of them, I would say 70% or so, need some type of inpatient treatment. Now, our mental health accountability courts help a lot of people that are sort of not as much of a need of services, if that makes sense. I mean, they’re all in need of services, but to a different degree, because there are outpatient services that our treatment providers offer for those individuals where they can still, you know, live on the outside and work and do those things. But, you know, for those, the vast majority of people who need more intensive help, again, it’s just a matter of having the limited bed space.
Rico Figliolini 0:19:55
Well, not only that, it’s security, too. Right? Secured bed space, because there’s still, they’re still serving time, but they should be serving time in a place that at least will help them get better.
Regina Matthews 0:20:07
That is correct. That is correct. So, and, you know, I don’t know what the answer is. I know, you know, people never want to hear that we’re supposed to have all the answers. But, you know, I sit in court every day and I struggle with that. You know, you want to help people, you know, how important it is for them to get the help they need and to every extent possible, you know, I do that, you know, but when there’s, you know, only a limited number of bed space and the hospitals are saying, we can’t take this person right now, then we just have to do the best we can do. And that is, again, engaging with our medical staff at the jail and with our treatment providers who can come into the jail and offer services while those individuals wait. But, you know, otherwise we’re relying on, you know, what we have.
Rico Figliolini 0:20:58
Right, right. It’s a struggle, I imagine, because it’s almost like the sports industry here in Gwinnett county, right. We can only get certain amount of sporting events that the hotel system can support. Right. And then we have to turn away events because maybe there’s not enough space during that time. Same thing with jails. Right? To a degree, if you want to make that comparison, it’s like, I’m sure that you all have to figure out, well, you know, we have. We hit capacity. You know, where can, you know, can we, you know, put more prisoners into the system when you fix the capacity? You know, and I don’t know if we’ve actually hit that capacity yet or. Not hit the capacity for. To have occupancy in a system like this. You know, do we have enough?
Regina Matthews 0:21:44
I think we have. I mean, I can tell you as someone who not only sits in our superior courts, but who also presides in the absence of the judges who preside over our accountability courts. You know, I sit in those courts as well, and I’m very intimately familiar with how those treatment courts operate. And I can tell you that we are at capacity and we want to take in more people, but the practical reality is we don’t have the resources. And that is the. It’s really, it’s sad for me. It’s one of the most heart wrenching things as a judge to know that someone again needs help and they either have to wait in order to get it or we just have to come up with another solution.
Rico Figliolini 0:22:34
So going to that, I mean, obviously there’s so many challenges. This is one of them or several of them that we’ve just discussed. Are there other challenges you see in the court system that you would like to attend to?
Regina Matthews 0:22:49
I think those, honestly are the biggest challenges. Those are the ones that I’m confronted with every day. People who need assistance and treatment for trauma or substance use disorder or they need housing resources. Again, I don’t really notice a backlog that a lot of people refer to, because I think if you talk to lawyers who practice in other areas outside of Gwinnett, they will tell you Gwinnett handles cases way more efficiently than some of the other jurisdictions. So I think we do a good job of utilizing the resources we have by way of, you know, full time magistrates and our senior judges. I think we do things well. We use our, you know, alternative dispute resolution resources to a great extent. I think that helps us in that regard. So I think overall, we do things well in Gwinnett, in our courts. But again, I do think, you know, we have to prioritize with our money, you know, having more resources available for, you know, people struggling with substance use disorder or mental illness or a combination of both. We have a lot of people who are dual diagnosis. Right. So they have substance use disorder and mental illness, and a lot of times are housing insecure. So they obviously need a lot more resources, and that all falls struggle.
Rico Figliolini 0:24:20
Yeah. How do you see the role of the judiciary system when it comes to educating the public about the legal system? Their rights is all that falls hand in hand with what we just discussed, I think because sometimes the legal system can take the easy way out because it must, because there’s no other way to do. To do it at this point. Right. So what do you think the role is of the judicial system here as far as education, educating the public?
Regina Matthews 0:24:48
I think it’s important. You know, as a judge, I want people in our community to feel like they are knowledgeable about our courts. They sort of know where to go when they need to file a particular type of case. I think we as a judiciary, can do a better job of putting information out there that is available to the public. We have taken a lot of strides in Gwinnett in our courts. I will tell you that there are, particularly for magistrate court, our chief magistrate, Christina Bloom, she keeps brochures in the magistrate court office that is available to people, anyone who walks in. They can get a pamphlet on landlord tenant issues, you know, in those cases and how they’re handled and sort of the issues that come up in those cases, small claims, you know, basically step by step. I don’t want to say instructions because we can’t give legal advice, but we do give people resources. Like, this is where you can go. Our courts also operate a family law clinic. So for individuals who may want to represent themselves or maybe they. They don’t have the money to hire an attorney and maybe they don’t qualify for legal aid, they’re sort of stuck in the middle. There are resources available because of the goodwill of some of our attorneys who volunteer their time to do clinics to help people sort of navigate those processes. So we have information there. I think we can do a better job about making sure people know that the information is out there so that they can utilize it.
Rico Figliolini 0:26:25
That’s interesting. I didn’t know about that.
Regina Matthews 0:26:28
A lot of people don’t.
Rico Figliolini 0:26:29
Yeah, yeah. No, that sounds like another good podcast, actually.
Regina Matthews 0:26:33
So great idea. As a great idea, I wish more people knew about those types of services, and it’s just a matter of figuring out how do we get that message out to people.
Rico Figliolini 0:26:44
Yeah, it’s not easy. And then to get people to listen, actually, too, because they may not need it at that moment. Until they need it, right.
Regina Matthews 0:26:53
Until they need it. Yeah.
Rico Figliolini 0:26:54
Yeah.
Regina Matthews 0:26:54
The other thing I tell people, too, you know, I think people are generally afraid of courts or maybe they’re just apprehensive when it comes to, you know, courts. And so I tell people, don’t always think about it in a negative way. I encourage people to come out and observe court proceedings, you know, when you can. I know most people have full time jobs, so that may not be feasible all the time, but, you know, courts are open forums, so if you want to come and observe a divorce trial or, you know, a criminal trial or whatever type of trial, you know, come to court, observe, see how, you know, things go. And I think that might help prepare people, too, better for, you know, you know, the times that they have to come to court and face that same situation.
Rico Figliolini 0:27:41
It’s funny, I think people think of court system like the IRS. Just stay away and don’t go near it.
Regina Matthews 0:27:47
That’s right. People don’t want to come anywhere close if they don’t have to. I get that. I get that.
Rico Figliolini 0:27:52
Although I got to say, the Gwinnett county police do a great job when they do ride alongs. That, depending on how you do that program, even some of the local small town like Suwannee, I think, in Duluth do similar type of things where you can go with the police and see their normal day, if you will.
Regina Matthews 0:28:08
I love those programs, too, because, you know, our law enforcement, I also think that they sort of get that reputation of, you know, like, we don’t want to deal with law enforcement unless we need them. Right. Like, we stay away, you know, and I think we have to embrace, you know, our law enforcement officers as, you know, our friends. You know, they’re here to help us. They want to protect us and keep us safe. So I’m so glad, you know, so many of our police chiefs have taken the initiative to really be present in the community, you know, for reasons outside of, you know, crime, safety and prevention. But just so that people know, you know, they’re friendly, they’re neighborly, they want to, you know, you know, help us, but also be, make sure that we know that they’re part of the community to help and not just to get the bad guys, for sure.
Rico Figliolini 0:28:59
Right, right. Yeah, true. And a lot of them do a good job that way. We talked about technology before, but I like talking a little bit more specific about artificial intelligence, AI, and what that means in a court system or in preparing court documents or in having to worry about evidence that may be submitted that could have been tainted by AI. So what, you know, what do you think are the potential benefits and drawbacks of using AI in the court system?
Regina Matthews 0:29:35
Yeah, admittedly, you know, it’s a discussion we’re having to have more often. Even some of our continuing judicial education classes are starting to talk about this issue. And candidly, it scares me a bit because I’m just trying to imagine a court system whereby human intelligence is replaced by artificial intelligence. I mean, just the thought of it is a little alarming. I do think that there are ways in which AI can be beneficial. You know, for instance, when you’re an attorney or a judge, you know, or a law clerk who’s working for a judge, and you want to find information about a specific case or a legal topic, you know, doing research could be, AI could be great because it could make you more efficient and getting the answers you need. But I will say, as a caveat, there has to be a human, I think, sort of checking that. So even if you use it for research purposes, it is still artificial intelligence. So I would like to think that we would still need some human to basically double check to make sure of the accuracy of whatever information you’re getting. So I think there could be some benefits for efficiency when it comes to operating in a courtroom setting, though I’m more afraid of AI than I am of welcoming of it, because I foresee issues where we’re presented with evidence, for example, and we have to test the credibility or veracity of that evidence. And again, there’s just no substitute, I don’t think, for human intelligence as opposed to AI. And I think about the floodgates opening up with even court filings and us getting backlogged because of AI and something other than human filing court documents and how that could just really cause a backlog.
Rico Figliolini 0:31:34
You’re worried about more filings happening because it can be generated faster through AI.
Regina Matthews 0:31:39
That is correct. That is correct.
Rico Figliolini 0:31:42
I mean, certainly AI has issues, and I don’t, you know, as fast as it’s moving right now, who knows? In a year or two, probably less than two years, I bet based on what’s been going on in the last two years, we’re going to end up being able to. If you have someone that doesn’t speak the language, that can be translated through the system, Google does that right now. The Google Translate, right. And voice, you can have real time fact checking occurring where you can look at, you know, place it to chat, GPT 7.05.0 when it comes out, where you could check those facts. So there are certainly good side to it, but as fast as that’s moving, the bad side can move just as fast.
Regina Matthews 0:32:29
I can say, yeah, I agree, it’s troublesome. And because I guess we’re not sort of there yet, it’s hard to really appreciate how. How much of an effect it will have on our courts, whether a good, you know, good or bad, because, like you said, it’s happening so quickly, it’s almost hard to grasp. But, yeah, it’s gonna be here, if it’s not already, we’re gonna have to confront it. And. And it does give me some, some. I don’t know, I’m concerned a little bit.
Rico Figliolini 0:32:59
Well, it’s good that you all are getting education on it, right? Continuing education, if you will. So that’s a good part, that it’s being proactive, at least.
Regina Matthews 0:33:07
Yep.
Rico Figliolini 0:33:08
If you were to win the Gwinnett County Superior Court judgeship, what do you think, in brief, would be your long term vision for it?
Regina Matthews 0:33:17
So I will say, first of all, I’m the only candidate in the race who has unequivocally indicated that I will, without question, continue the accountability courts that Judge Byers started. And particularly those accountability courts are veterans treatment court and mental health accountability court. She is the only judge currently sitting on the bench who operates those treatment court programs. So once she resigns her seat at the end of this year, those programs could effectively go away. And so I have made an unequivocal promise to continue on with those programs. Honestly, I can’t imagine our courts not having them. So that is the first thing I will continue her legacy. You know, she started those courts. I think we just celebrated the 11th year, and so I want that to be, you know, a long term program, both of those to be long term programs that Gwinnett can be proud of forever. So I promise that I foresee a court whereby litigants feel that Judge Matthews is fair. She’s even handed, she’s even tempered. She may not always issue a ruling that I agree with, but I will trust that Judge Matthews has followed the law, you know, above all else, and that she treated me with dignity and with respect. You know, I was a practicing lawyer for a long time, and I remember appearing in front of judges who, I don’t know, seem like they would make sport of humiliating litigants or humiliating attorneys. I’m sure. I mean, you probably have seen or at least heard of those types of judges, and it was just troubling to me. And I, you know, said a long time ago, if I ever became a judge, you know, I will never be that type of judge where, you know, someone comes in and they have, you know, an issue that’s important enough to them to either file a case or be involved in whatever the litigation is. But, you know, people deserve to be treated with dignity, no matter what. And I include, you know, people who are charged of criminal offenses. You know, obviously, we don’t condone criminal behavior. I don’t like it. But those people deserve to be treated with dignity at the very least. And so that’s what people will get from me, judge, again, that’s going to be fair. Who’s going to operate independently, who is not going to be swayed, you know, politically. Who’s really just going to follow the laws, as I’m bound to do, the constitution of the state of Georgia, the constitution of the United States, and the laws passed by our legislators.
Rico Figliolini 0:36:03
Okay, well, thank you for sharing that vision. We’ve come pretty much to the end of our talk. But what I’d like you to do is give us, in short, two minutes, maybe ask for the vote, essentially tell everyone why they should be voting for you and ask for that vote.
Regina Matthews 0:36:23
Thank you, Rico. And, you know, I have to tell you lawyers, you probably know this. Lawyers and judges are not good with time limits. So I hope I can do the two minutes. If I started to go over, just stop me, because we’re not good at keeping time out. Yeah, put your hand up or something. But again, thank you for this opportunity. I take being a judge as something that is meaningful. It is difficult work. You know, the decisions that I make, that we make as judges every day, you know, we realize that they impact people in very significant ways. And so what I can tell the voters is that’s not something I will ever take for granted. You should vote for me not only because I have a deep concern and care for the people of this county, not only because I currently serve the county, but also because you need a judge and you deserve a judge who has the experience to do the job and to do it on day one. As I talked about earlier, I currently sit in superior court every day. At this point in my judicial career, I’ve made decisions, probably I want to say hundreds, but it may be even close to thousands of cases. This point I’ve done so diligently. I’m a judge that operates with the utmost integrity, and you don’t have to just take my word for it. I’ve been tried, vetted and tested, so to speak. The eleven superior court judges that you elected and the chief magistrate judge you elected in Gwinnett county have already vetted my qualifications. They wouldn’t designate me to sit for them over 200 times if they didn’t believe that I was suitable to do the job of a superior court judge. And that is what I do every day. I make a commitment to the voters that I will continue to have deep respect for the rule of law, I will always follow and adhere to the rule of law, that I will operate with integrity, and that I will do everything to make sure the court processes run efficiently. Thank you again, and I hope to have your vote. You overwhelmingly supported me in the primary election. I hope I can get you back out to vote for the runoff. You can find more information on my website at judgematthews.com, I’m also on social media Regina Matthews for superior court or judge Regina Matthews. I’m on LinkedIn. I’m on Instagram. I’m pretty much all the social media platforms. But again, I just hope the voters can remember that, you know, you need and deserve someone who has the experience doing the job. And I’m ready on day one.
Rico Figliolini 0:38:59
Great. By the time people hear this, early voting, I think will have ended. So June 18, Tuesday is the day.
Regina Matthews 0:39:06
Tuesday, June 19. That day you have to go to your assigned voter precinct for early voting. Obviously it’s different, but on June 18, you have to go to your designated polling place, seven to seven.
Rico Figliolini 0:39:22
Thanks for that. So thank you, Regina Matthews. Appreciate you being on with me. Hang in there for a minute, but thank you. Everyone else. If you have questions, certainly put it into the comments. Whether you’re listening to this on Facebook or YouTube, or you have comments that you want to send directly to Regina Matthews, just go to her website, judgematthews.com, and you’ll be able to do that. So thanks again. Appreciate you being with us.
Regina Matthews 0:39:48
Thank you, Rico.
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Tuwanda Rush Williams in Run-Off June 18 for Gwinnett Superior Court Judge
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June 16, 2024This non-partisan run-off election decides who will serve in the seat
The Tuesday, June 18th run-off election for Gwinnett Superior Court Judge is almost here. In my interview with candidate Tuwanda Rush Williams, you will find out why she is running, her plans for mental health issues in the inmate population, why transparency and responsibility are important to her, and how she will rebuild trust in the judicial system. Tuwanda discusses the role of technology in modernizing the court system, the need for more lawyers to provide indigent defense services, and the importance of judges being visible and engaging with the public to build trust in the courts’ fairness and impartiality. With your host Rico Figliolini.
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Tuwanda’s Website: https://www.tuwanda4judge.com/
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00:00:00 – Tuwanda Rush Williams Runs for Gwinnett Superior Court Judge
00:01:15 – From New York to Georgia
00:03:54 – Improving Mental Health Care in Jail
00:07:50 – Addressing Mental Health in the Justice System
00:11:21 – Improving Court System Efficiency, Addressing Indigent Defense, and Leveraging Technology
00:15:53 – Balancing Technology in the Courtroom
00:18:06 – Concerns About AI in the Courts: Lack of Empathy and Transparency
00:22:15 – Ensuring Impartiality in Judicial Decisions
00:25:38 – Canine Incident Leads to Lawsuit
00:29:55 – Employing More Senior Judges to Clear Backlog
00:32:13 – Qualifications Beyond Being a Judge
00:35:29 – Tuwanda Rush Williams’ Campaign Resources and Endorsements
Podcast Transcript
Rico Figliolini 0:00:01
Hi, everyone. This is Rico Figliolini, host of Peachtree Corners Life, and we have an election coming up. It’s actually a runoff June 18, and I have one of the candidates for one of those runoffs, which is the candidate for Superior Court Judge here in Gwinnett County. Tuwanda Rush Williams. Hey, Tuwanda, how are you?
Tuwanda Rush Williams 0:00:20
Hello, Rico. How are you?
Rico Figliolini 0:00:22
Good, good. Appreciate you spending the time this afternoon coming out to speak to us and answer questions and talk about your candidacy. So appreciate you doing that. Absolutely.
Tuwanda Rush Williams 0:00:35
Thank you for the opportunity.
Rico Figliolini 0:00:37
No, for sure. And I think our readers and followers enjoy this type of thing. We just did one for the school board race, district three, and I got good responses on that. They enjoyed that, learning a bit more about candidates that are running. So why don’t you. Why don’t we start off Tuwanda with you telling us a little bit about yourself and tell us why or what motivated you to want to run for Gwinnett Superior Court Judge.
Tuwanda Rush Williams 0:01:05
Absolutely. Thank you. So, my name is Tuwanda Rush Williams, and I have been a resident of Gwinnett county for about 24 years now. Quite a while, I guess. 2000 is when we moved here, beginning of 2000. And I’m originally from Rochester, New York, but I have been in Georgia for the last 32 years, so I consider myself a Georgia peach at this point. But I am married and I have. My husband is doctor Anthony Williams. He is a retired Gwinnett county public school systems assistant principal, and he is also an army veteran. And we have two adult children, one who is in pharmacy school at UNC Chapel Hill, and the other is a youth college and young adult minister and an information technology specialist at Cox Enterprises. And so I’ve been practicing law for 31 years, a long time, most of that time here in Gwinnett county working for Gwinnett county government, and for the past year working at the law firm of Thompson, O’Brien, Kapler and the Sudie in Peachtree Corners. So why am I seeking this position? Simply because of what I observed in my 18 years working for Gwinnett county government, I rose to the position of second command. So I was deputy county attorney in the county attorney’s office, and I represented all 5300 employees, which included the district attorney, the clerk of court, the solicitor general, the sheriff, the tax commissioner, and the judges on all six courts. So I spent a lot of time at the Gwinnett county jail, and what I saw were the large number of persons with diagnosed mental illness sitting in the Gwinnett county jail. When I left the county in May, of last year in order to run for judge, and I had to leave my job because it was a conflict of interest to run for judge when I defended the judges when they were sued. When I left the county, there were 500 people with mental illness, diagnosed mental illness sitting in the jail. They tend to be socially isolated. They require around the clock observation. They are a higher suicide risk, and they require a lot of manpower resources. Because of that, there were another 2200 inmates in the regular population who were pretty much on their own, neglected. They were getting showers one day a week. It was very difficult for them to meet with their lawyers to prepare for their cases to go to trial. They also did not have much recreation time simply because there was not enough staffing to manage the 2200 regular inmates and simultaneously take care of the 500 inmates with mental illness of some type. So one of the reasons why I decided to run is because I don’t want to see people with diagnosed mental illnesses sitting in the jail awaiting trial. They don’t get better sitting in the jail. They need to have alternative custody arrangements. They need to be able to be in a mental health facility, or they need to be at home with counseling services, therapy services, medication stabilization, and a case manager while they are awaiting trial. And what I see in the county right now is that we have accountability courts, but they need to be expanded, and judges need to put a request in their budget to expand those courts so that we have a place to put people who have been charged with a crime but are not good candidates for being locked up in our jail. So I would like to see judges not send people to jail that have mental illness, but also send them to places like a viewpoint health, which is inadequate for staffing purposes. Right now they only have 16 beds. So we need to actually advocate in our court system for more money to take care of those with diagnosed mental illnesses as opposed to sitting in the jail.
Rico Figliolini 0:05:42
So for most people that don’t understand, they might think Gwinnett Superior Court judge is just a sitting judge listening to cases, felony cases, family law, divorce, child custody. But it is more as well an administrative role, deciding budgets and personnel. Right?
Tuwanda Rush Williams 0:06:01
That is exactly true. Superior court judges have a budget just like any other county department or state department, and they actually, they will go down to the Capitol and advocate for various issues as well that impact the court system. And one thing you said, Rico, that I want to follow up on. Most people think of superior court as criminal felony cases and family law cases are heard there. But did you know that there are a large variety of matters that are also heard in superior court that I handle over the last 19 years as a government lawyer, such as your property tax appeals, condemnation cases, inverse condemnation cases, elections lawsuits, civil rights lawsuits, contract disputes, all kinds of declaratory judgment actions, stormwater issues, things that people don’t really think about that are heard in superior court. And you would only have experience in those areas if you have been a local government lawyer, such as myself.
Rico Figliolini 0:07:11
You’ve been doing this for 31 years. Practicing here in Georgia.
Tuwanda Rush Williams 0:07:17
Yes, practicing in Georgia. 31 years. I practiced most of my career in Gwinnett county. So the last 19 years I worked here in Gwinnett, 18 years in the county attorney’s office, rising and promoted to second in command, and for the past year, working at Thompson O’Brien law firm, where we represent the city of Norcross, Bryan county and some other municipalities, doing a variety of work.
Rico Figliolini 0:07:47
So, getting back to a little bit about that budget, about the mental health issues, which is a challenge, a rising challenge. Obviously, like you said, mental health issues, putting people into prison doesn’t make them any better. They don’t have the programs there. But in everything, everything costs money. Someone says to me, oh, can we just do this? Well, everything costs money, and you’re just adding to the bill. So that’s one thing that costs money. Then you have other things that cost money, whether you don’t have enough staff to be able to do the things you need to do and all that. So, understanding you want to lobby for money, understanding that you have a finite budget right now, what would be the first thing you do when you, if you were to win, to attend to those mental health issues? What is one of the first things that you would do in there? Knowing that you have a finite budget, you know, you don’t have anything more coming at that moment.
Tuwanda Rush Williams 0:08:49
So the first thing that I would do as a judge is I would look for opportunities to sentence those with a diagnosed mental illness to arrangements that are not in our jail custody. So if they were a candidate to be able to be at home with counseling services and case manager, that’s where I would send them while they were awaiting trial, as opposed to putting them in our jail, because that would be the first thing I would do, is I would look for opportunities to send people who’ve been accused of crimes to their home environment, as opposed to putting them in the jail, which is a place where they’re just not going to get better and there’s just not enough resources. But then after I looked at who would be a good candidate for being home because everyone can’t be home with a diagnosed mental illness. Right. Then I would look for opportunities to advocate for the budget for a superior court to be expanded such that we can maybe take monies from some other area. Right. We have a mental health court. We have a veterans court. We also have a drug court. But the mental health court is where we have the greatest financial need simply because of the number of individuals who are coming through the court system with a diagnosed mental illness. So I would look at those other two courts to see if we could reallocate funds from those courts to the mental health court so that we could expand the budget to take care of those people. Viewpoint. Health will take individuals who do not have insurance or who are underinsured, who have a diagnosed mental health condition. The problem is that they only have 16 operable beds, which is just not enough, which shows you that they need to be expanded. They need to have larger facilities, more beds, more staffing. So we’ve got to figure out a way to cut the budget in some other areas in the county and add that money to mental health services.
Rico Figliolini 0:11:08
Let me ask you something. Not that we can solve the issues here, but the jail system is run by the sheriff. Correct? The budget and all that.
Tuwanda Rush Williams 0:11:16
It is. It is.
Rico Figliolini 0:11:17
So. And you’re moving with the thought is there’s 500 prisoners that have mental health issues. Obviously not all of them. Some of them are violent criminals that are going to have to sit there. There’s no other place to put them, most likely. Right. So if you’re moving 100 of them out of there, though, maybe. Does it make sense then to look at the jail system and say, okay, they’re spending a certain amount of money per prisoner doing that? I know this is not the norm, looking at budgets from different departments, but shifting money from within a department. Is that a county commission responsibility?
Tuwanda Rush Williams 0:11:57
It is a county commission responsibility, but the commissioners have to receive a budget from the various county courts and departments in order to set a budget for them. So you are correct. The budget, the overall budget is approved by the board of commissioners, but they have to receive a budget request from the court system as well as from the sheriff so that they can make the right decisions. So you’re correct.
Rico Figliolini 0:12:25
So when you know some of it’s okay. So aside from the mental health issues, which is a big issue, obviously there’s other issues within the system. Covid brought that to light to a degree. Right. And different things were done. Things were done differently a bit because of not being able to meet in person. Some of it’s successful. Some of it, I think, is still continuing. Some of it isn’t. Do you think that technology, the role of technology in modernizing the court system makes sense? You talked before about how individuals can’t meet their lawyers. Well, you know, is that an in person visit, or is that a lawyer that can meet them on a Zoom call? I mean, is there areas that you’d like to see changed, or, you know, within the court system that can be helpful?
Tuwanda Rush Williams 0:13:18
Yes, there are a couple of things that I’d like to see improve. One thing that we definitely need to improve is the number of lawyers that are appointed as indigent defense attorneys, because we have a large number of persons accused of crimes who cannot afford a lawyer. And so in Gwinnett county, we utilize private lawyers to represent those individuals, and they receive an hourly wage. That program is governed by an indigent defense governing committee, and I served on it for seven years before I left the county. And one thing that I’d like us to do to improve upon that system is to recruit more lawyers who are willing to defend persons who cannot afford a lawyer. What’s happening right now is the courts are backlogged with their criminal cases because there’s just not enough lawyers available to appoint to represent someone accused of a crime. And one thing we need to do is to increase the hourly rate of private lawyers who are able and willing to represent indigent persons. So I’d like to see the county improve the hourly rate for those individuals. Another thing I’d like to see is what you alluded to is greater use of technology. During COVID a lot of the hearings were held by Zoom, and that was great. When you just have a lawyer on either side of a case who has the ability to present information over Zoom, it doesn’t work for trials because you have to have a jury.
Rico Figliolini 0:15:09
And so that probably works best when you have the individual in person, actually.
Tuwanda Rush Williams 0:15:16
That is correct. And you’ve got to be able to determine that person’s demeanor and everything else. Right. But certainly we can continue to use technology for a routine motion, for example, you know, a motion to exclude evidence that certainly can be heard using virtual capability. So I’d like to see us continue to use technology for what I consider hearings and very short matters, and maybe even expand upon it, because it worked really well during COVID But much of the use of technology for virtual hearings has disappeared in the last couple of years. The judges, most of the judges, tend to have those hearings in person.
Rico Figliolini 0:16:06
Again, I think from one of the lawyers. I heard also, technology wise, that things are digitized, all the files that are digitized, so it’s easier to look them up. But the other problem with that is, of course, a lawyer can’t go back and check the cartons of files, let’s say, of things that maybe weren’t scanned, because not everything is scanned, unfortunately. It seems so. There’s a two edged sword right there, I think. Right? Yeah. You got to make sure everything scanned or you’re going to. And you’re going to have to still hold the physical evidence for later, right?
Tuwanda Rush Williams 0:16:50
Yes. Yes, absolutely. That is an issue.
Rico Figliolini 0:16:54
Okay. Do you feel, have you seen as a, as a lawyer, and do you foresee AI being an issue, whether it’s deep fakes or it’s documents being presented that are false documents, for example, do you see AI being an issue, or how would you attend to that technology in the run of the courts?
Tuwanda Rush Williams 0:17:18
That is a very good question. I have mixed feelings about AI. I think that it would be beneficial to use artificial intelligence for basic research purposes. So if the lawyer or the judge wants to know the statute of limitations for a particular civil case, then AI would be great, because you just simply ask, what is the statute of limitations? You get to answer, it’s easy. What I think is bad about AI for purposes of the courts is that AI is digitized, which means it has no feelings, it has no emotions. Right. So you cannot use AI to determine a person’s individual circumstances or background, particularly when you are making decisions based on family needs, custody arrangements, visitation arrangements, or when you are dealing with someone who has been accused of a crime. Because AI doesn’t have compassion, AI doesn’t have empathy. So I would never want to see a quote unquote robo judge. I think you have to have human beings making decisions and weighing the credibility of witnesses. But I do think that AI could actually speed up the handling of cases from the perspective of staff attorneys who conduct research for judges as well as for the lawyers themselves who represent clients.
Rico Figliolini 0:19:07
Dealing with public trust and transparency. Some are maybe true, maybe not true, maybe just myths, maybe just legends, maybe just people think this is the way the system is and it’s not fair. The reality could be a little different. So how would you handle or improve public trust in the judicial system? Because that always seems to be a negative thing there. But how would you try to improve that?
Tuwanda Rush Williams 0:19:38
Well, one of the things that I talk about on the campaign trail is the lack of visibility of our judges. And what I mean by that is most people don’t know who the judges are. Most people have no idea what types of matters are heard in each court. So one of the things that I would do to try to improve public trust is to require the judges to be more visible in the community and maybe have something like a. Just coffee with a judge once a month, where you put the judges on rotation so that the public members can come in and ask questions about the process. You know, how do I go about filing a lawsuit? What types of cases are heard in your court? For instance, you may have the probate court chief judge one month, and then you may have the state court chief judge another month, and then the superior court chief judge another month, and then the magistrate court and the recorder’s court and juvenile court. Just because if people don’t feel like they have access to the court system, they are less likely to trust the court system. They’re less likely to see it as fair. But when they are able to interact up close and personal with the judges, then they can ask the questions that they need to ask to feel more confident that the system is fair. So that’s one thing that I would do. Obviously, judges take an oath to be fair and to be impartial at all times. And, of course, they must use good judgment. They’re required to have continuing education, just like a lawyer. So there are things that are mandated by the code of judicial conduct of Georgia that judges are required to do to make sure that they maintain fairness and so that the public can trust that the decisions they make are legally sound and fair, but that’s not seen by the public. So I think we have to have our judges more visible in the community.
Rico Figliolini 0:21:57
Sounds good. To ensure impartiality and fairness in the judicial decisions. I know that, for example, there’s a family that I know that’s trying to get custody of the children of their daughter’s kids who passed away. And, you know, I know that the court system likes to make sure they prove they keep the kids with the immediate family, but sometimes that’s not always doable for a lot of different reasons. Maybe the individual person is not a good steward or caretaker for those kids. How do you, you know, you’re dealing with lawyers presenting cases versus the individuals per se, but how do you deal with that? How do you deal with that impartiality or the empathy that you should have in a case like that because you’re a judge?
Tuwanda Rush Williams 0:22:53
Well, again, you are relying on the lawyers for each party right to present evidence, and the standard is the best interest of the child. And because that is the legal standard. Depending upon the age of the children, the judge might hear from the children themselves. Right? And of course, if they are age 14, they can choose which, where they want to be, who has custody of them. If they are age twelve, the judge can take that into consideration as well. The judge can literally ask, you know, do you want to be with your paternal grandparents or do you want to be with your biological father? Tell me why. Tell me what your life experience has been to this point. And those hearings are held in camera, which means that the public is not allowed to come in and hear that minor share his or her story with the judge. But that’s one way that you would get at impartiality, which is actually considering what the child or the children want. But remember, you’re relying on the lawyers who represent these parties, who have also taken an oath to present all of the evidence that is uncovered, whether it’s for or against their client. And that goes directly to impartiality in the decision of the judge.
Rico Figliolini 0:24:28
With all the cases that you’ve tried, legal issues that you’ve handled, has there been any significant case or situation that has impacted you in a good way or bad?
Tuwanda Rush Williams 0:24:43
Well, for many, many years, I tried a lot of civil rights lawsuits, and I tried them in federal court, some in superior court. There’s one case that I tried involving an individual who sued Gwinnett county, as well as several Gwinnett county police officers for excessive force. And it involved an individual had allegedly stolen a television from an apartment complex. Our police was summoned to the scene, and our canine unit came. And in this particular case, the gentleman dropped the television that he was carrying, and he ran. And then he jumped down into a ravine. And our police officer sent the canine to retrieve the gentleman, and he was significantly, he has permanent disfigurement as a result of that. I won the case. I was able to show. Well, the interesting thing is the gentleman sued not just Gwinnett county and the officers, but the gentleman sued the canine, which was the strangest thing. I never had a case where somebody sued the dog, but in this case, he sued, which is insane. I was able to win the case, ultimately. At first, I lost the case trial level, because the judge determined that the use of force was. But I appealed the case to the US District Court of Appeals, and I won the case because I was able to show that the use of force was reasonable because this guy, you know, tried to escape. But the case gave me. I felt like I should have lost it only because I don’t believe that our officers follow proper protocol, because you cannot send the canine in to attack someone until you’ve given the suspect fair warning. And I don’t think that that was.
Rico Figliolini 0:27:18
How long ago was that the case?
Tuwanda Rush Williams 0:27:21
It was several years ago. I want to say it was in probably 2017, but that was the one case where I felt like we should not have won it. Between you and I, and this guy is now permanently disfigured. But other than that I feel very good about the decisions that were made, and I won 95% of the cases that I ever tried.
Rico Figliolini 0:27:48
And there’s a lot of cases out there. A lot of backlog of cases, apparently.
Tuwanda Rush Williams 0:27:54
Yes.
Rico Figliolini 0:27:55
And I know you touched upon it a little bit, but it is a lot of cases out there. Is there any suggestions what you do to clear that backlog?
Tuwanda Rush Williams 0:28:05
Yes. So, of course, the backlog existed even before COVID but it was exacerbated by COVID, as we know. And that was largely because the courts actually had to shut down for a period of time because it was not out for the presence of the litigants. They had to put up plexiglass in the jury boxes. They had to put up plexiglass in front of the podium where the lawyer or the litigant speaks, and in front of the judge’s bench as well. And after that, the county was running about four years behind on the criminal cases and probably three years behind on the civil cases. And criminal cases legally have to be tried. One of the things that definitely needs to be done more of is greater use of senior judges. We use magistrate judges to handle cases. In fact, my opponent is a magistrate judge, and she handles a lot of family law cases and criminal law cases. She’s not utilized for a lot of the areas that I do, like your property tax appeals and condemnations and stormwater cases and, you know, those kinds of suits, because her background was criminal law and family law. But we need to also employ greater use of senior judges. We use some senior judges, but in order to clear the backlog, we need to use more. These are individuals who have retired from the bench, but they will come back and handle cases for a very hefty hourly rate. Some will say they get paid more as senior judges than they did when they were full time.
Rico Figliolini 0:30:06
Is that what you want to do, though?
Tuwanda Rush Williams 0:30:08
I’m sorry?
Rico Figliolini 0:30:09
Is that what you want to do, though? I mean, that’s just add to more exasperated. More to the budget, I guess.
Tuwanda Rush Williams 0:30:16
Well, I think you’ve got to clear the backlog and so even though it does add more to the budget, they already have the experience to handle those cases because they were judges until they retired. So they can resolve them a lot quicker because they’ve seen the issues before. So I think you want to use more senior judges. They are already using magistrate judges in superior court. They’re not fully using them in state as they can. But superior court does use part time and full time magistrate judges to clear the backlog. And my honest opinion is that Gwinnett county needs more superior court judge seats. We have eleven full time superior court judges and Fulton county has 17. And yet we are the second largest county in the state.
Rico Figliolini 0:31:13
Why is that? A lot more crime?
Tuwanda Rush Williams 0:31:16
You got to have somebody to advocate for it. You got to have your elected state representatives and your senators to say, we need more full time superior court judges. And we are asking the state. It takes someone to advocate for it. Just 11th position in 2021.
Rico Figliolini 0:31:44
Long time ago and things just got more busier. County is growing. Have we touched, is there anything we haven’t touched upon that you’d like to mention?
Tuwanda Rush Williams 0:31:56
I just wanted to share my background and experience as opposed to my opponents, because what I found during the runoff was that somehow people think my opponent is the incumbent because she is a magistrate judge. And, you know, I want the voters to know she’s not the incumbent. There is no incumbent in this race. This is an open, nonpartisan seat, which means that our names appear on any ballot that you pull. Because candidates for judge must run nonpartisan, because they should. Because the judge’s responsibility is to follow the law of the state and the law of the land and not interpose his or her opinion or prejudge a case. So my position is an open position, which means there is no incumbent. We are seeking to replace a judge who is retiring at the end of the year. And I also wanted to state that when you are looking for someone to elect to the bench, I think you need to take into account more factors than just this person is already a judge. You need to consider diversity of experience. I know 25 years of the law very well because I was a government lawyer for most of my career. My opponent doesn’t have that background as a lawyer. And there’s a difference between practicing law, being a zealous advocate for someone, and being a judge who considers the weight of the evidence, the facts and the law. You also want someone who has ties to the community. And I have served Gwinnett county for the last 24 years that I’ve been here. I have served on a lot of nonprofits. I’ve performed hundreds of hours of community service, and so I am woven into the fabric of Gwinnett County. I know Gwinnett County. I know its citizens. Im a leadership Gwinnett grad. I’ve worked on several learning day committees on Gwinnett giving girls, nonprofit, hope nonprofit. I’ve been on family promise of Gwinnett. I’ve done a lot. Very active in the Gwinnett county alumni chapter of Delta Sig Pothatus rorty incorporated. So I’m committed. I have a longstanding history of service to the county, in addition to having been in the county attorney’s office for 18 years until I had to resign in order to run. I would hope the voters would consider all of that. And just saying, well, you know, this person’s already a judge. She’s not a superior court judge. Never has been, never been elected. Neither have I. So we’re equal in that regard.
Rico Figliolini 0:34:50
Okay. I think pretty much you’ve given the speech where you’re asking for the vote, so that’s pretty good. So that’s good. That’s what you should be. Because if you don’t ask for it, you don’t get it. Where can people find out more information about Tuwanda Rush Williams? What website? Where can they find you?
Tuwanda Rush Williams 0:35:12
Absolutely. My website is tuwanda4judge.com. So it’s spelled like my name. Tuwanda, the number four, judge.com. and there’s all kinds of information on there about me and tons of endorsement. Charlotte Nash is someone who has endorsed me. Many people know who she is as well as the former district attorney Danny Porter. You can find my entire bio, all the places that I’ve worked, all the other reasons why I’m running beyond my concern for the people who are sitting in the jail with mental illness. We need to reduce crime and recidivism. We need to offer better support for survivors of human trafficking in Gwinnett. Huge problem. So I hope they’ll check me out there.
Rico Figliolini 0:36:02
Cool. Well, Tuwanda, I appreciate you being on the show with us and answering questions and talking about the issues that you want to let everyone remind everyone. Again, June 18 is the runoff date. There is early voting, depending when you’re listening to this, and I’ll have that in the show notes as well. The opponent is Regina Matthews. So there’s only two of them. So go listen to the podcast, be out there, Google their names. You should be able to find out more information. Again, Tuwanda, stay there with us for a minute. Everyone else thank you again. Yeah, no, for sure. And thank you again, everyone, for listening. There’ll be more information as well at livinginpeachtreecorners.com or southwestgwinnettmagazine.com. so check that out. Follow us on social media and appreciate you being with us. Thank you.
Tuwanda Rush Williams 0:36:54
Thank you.
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