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New Huge Medical Campus, 1200 new jobs; Two Autonomous Vehicle Companies; and National Attention



What company just announced a $500 Million investment to build a medical campus in Peachtree Corners and add 1200 new jobs to the area? What 2 models of autonomous vehicles will make their debut in late August on Curiosity Lab’s 5G enabled 3.0-mile test track? Plus trees, trees, trees. Some talk about Georgia Power and continued tree removal and trimming.


[00:00:30] – Opening
[00:01:28] – Intuitive Surgical Coming to Peachtree Corners
[00:33:04] – New Autonomous Vehicles
[00:39:42] – Georgia Power Tree Removal
[00:48:14] – Closing

“I know I beat the drum of Curiosity Lab merely because this magnet for activity that we created has a name. Other people have named things too at different times with different things. But I bring it up just so that the residents here are kept updated on the benefits that we derive from having a reason for certain companies to come and kick the tires here.”

Brian johnson

podcast transcript:

Rico: [00:00:30] Hi everyone. This is Rico Figliolini host of Peachtree Corners Life, and today with Prime Lunchtime with the City Manager, Brian Johnson. Before we get into that, just want to say thank you for everyone’s support on Peachtree Corners Magazine, which is a host of these podcasts. And also that today we’ll be talking about some really exciting news that’s going to be happening over the next few days. Certainly one that was announced today about a company here in Peachtree Corners that is going to be expanding into huge medical campus. So we’re going to be discussing that. We’re also going to be discussing a little bit about Curiosity Lab and the new vehicles that are going to be happening and coming this year to Technology Park. So we’ll be discussing that as well. For the first time in the expanded probably the largest amount of autonomous vehicles on live, living, street like ours in the nation, if not in the country, but certainly in the nation. So we’re going to be talking about those things today. So let me bring on Brian, thanks for joining me.

Brian: [00:01:27] Thanks for having me.

Rico: [00:01:28] Yeah, this is good. Every month that we do this it gets people to know a little bit more about what’s going on in Peachtree Corners. Also, I just want to remind people that I make my commentaries because  I make my commentaries. This is my show. and if I have a comment about something I’m going to make it. People will disagree, but I just want people to understand Peachtree Corners Life, Prime Lunchtime with the City Manager, it’s something where I can make my comments about issues of the day. And I just want people to know that. Let’s talk about the first thing that’s happening, which is unbelievable. You were telling me, sharing with me this morning a little bit about it just before the show. And it’s a company that has existed here that’s based in Silicon valley, has an office here, but this is a huge thing that’s happening. So tell us what happened today with the governor and all this.

Brian: [00:02:14] Well, let me back up six months and start this story because there was a big announcement by the state of Georgia about a company that exists here in Peachtree Corners called Intuitive, a publicly traded company. And they are a maker of robotic assisted surgical suites. There’s a number of them. The most famous, if you will, the one that’s sold the most units, most prevalent out there is called the DaVinci device. And this is a operating suite in which the patient sits underneath a covering in which there are four arms that come out. And this is used for patients that are undergoing soft tissue surgery. So it’s not for your bones. And oftentimes it’s a very complicated surgery that would normally either require a very, very, granular level of skill. Like say excising a tumor around something that’s very sensitive. Or it would normally require cracking somebody’s chest open, like splitting them all the way to get to some organ that’s difficult to get to. Instead they put in four ports, if you will. Almost like the size of a straw, maybe a little bit bigger into the torso, the area that they’re going to operate. One of them contains a camera and the other three contain arms. Almost like a snake in that once it’s through the port, into the body, the head of that device can move wherever and they can snake it wherever they need to. And then the end of it has removable tips. It could be a blade. It could be scissors. It could be claws, it could be a cauterizing device. And so it can go places in there in a less invasive way then cracking the thing open. The other interesting part about the DaVinci device is the surgeon is actually not over the patient. The surgeon is sitting next to the patient, looking into, goggles with their hands, into these grips and what their hands are doing is what’s actually happening next to them inside the body. And they look in the camera.

Rico: [00:04:41] That’s amazing.

Brian: [00:04:41] It is amazing.

Rico: [00:04:43] It’s almost like virtual reality working on a patient.

Brian: [00:04:46] Robotic assisted surgery is certainly the wave of the future and where there’s going to be more and more of it. So, you know, it’s used for those types of things. This company is headquartered in Sunnyvale, California. And about six months ago, they started a process of building an east coast campus. They did not want to expand in California, they are in a very aggressive expansion mode. And a lot of it is because they are doing very well and they have market share in this particular market and they want to get in to hospitals while the competition is as far behind them as they currently are. So they’re in an aggressive expansion mode. They decided they did not want to expand into California for their own reasons. And so they started a process of identifying where on the east coast they wanted to go. And so about six months ago, they approached the city and they informed us, essentially that they were taking a look at places. And prior to, and to a degree, sometime after they did make their decision, which they said would be in the not too distant future. They also informed us that they had purchased one of the buildings right behind where their current office is.

Rico: [00:06:19] Which for those people that don’t know is across from the post office.

Brian: [00:06:23] Right next to the USTA building on Spalding, basically at the corner of Spalding and Data drive. And they also, one of the buildings they purchased behind there, the one directly on Spalding, they wanted to gut it and they want to start assembling the DaVinci devices at this. Not manufacturing it, but taking all the component and chip sets and having engineers assemble them together and then do quality control testing. And then when a hospital buys the device, the device ships to the hospital. Then they install the device in the hospital. And then part of the purchase is, there is training by surgeons that go and get trained on how to use the device from hospitals that bought it. And when they invited us over there, the ‘they’ is the mayor and I, they actually walked us through their current facility. And that building that’s right on Spalding is unique in that one of the floors we had to essentially get covered, almost like scrubbing into surgery, to walk down one of the halls. The reason we had to do it is because it’s set up, it almost looks like a hospital. If you’re walking down the hallway of a hospital. And each of the rooms down the hall actually had a surgical room in it, a surgical suite with the DaVinci device and on the operating table was a cadaver. And that’s where surgeons come in and they actually practice using the DaVinci device and get trained and certified in how to use it. And then they go back to the hospital and they start using them for surgeries. Right here in Peachtree Corners. And the mayor and I were both like, we knew what Intuitive was, but we didn’t know what all they were doing here. So they’re going to assemble those devices and then they’re going to do it on the east coast. So we knew there were at least going to do that. But they said, look, this assembly that we’re wanting to set up, it’s like temporary. We are really in a rush to get it up and running, because again, we have market share. Whatever location we choose as our east coast headquarters, that’s going to be where we’re going to build the permanent assembly plant. So we were like, okay, this is temporary. Whether they expand here or not, it’s temporary, but so they talked to us about speed. And so we started, I gave them some assurances, talk to my staff, and we started doing the permitting. Well concurrent to that, they started a process of elimination, ‘they’ being Intuitive. And got the locations that they wanted to expand to down to two locations, one here in Peachtree Corners and one in a city in the research triangle area of North Carolina. Raleigh, Durham, Chapel Hill area. And when they got it down to that, those two, then they retained a firm, Deloitte, to be their agent and they officially submitted an investment commitment to both states and they asked the state to come back with the state’s incentive package. What Intuitive committed to in their investment proposal was for them to create about a $600 million campus and to create 1200 or more jobs with an average salary of these 1200 or more jobs of $130,000.

Rico: [00:10:21] It’s just phenomenal. That’s better than Amazon. It’s unbelievable. So they’re going to have a big campus. How big is this campus going to be?

Brian: [00:10:30] I can’t remember. I want to say it’s going to be like six buildings- ish. So what you’re going to have here is you’re going to have the assembly building where they’re assembling. Their sales team for the east coast is going to operate out of here. They’re going to have research and development at this location. They’re going to have a number, not all, but some of their C-suite people are going to be here. The chief technology officer, the chief operating officer, chief sales officer, all those C-suite. Some of them are going to come here. They’re going to also have all of their training. So another by-product of this is they’re building a much larger version of that floor that I just told you, for people to come in, for surgeons to come in and train. And so the turnover on a regular basis of surgeons coming into the city to train for a week or more, depending on what level, they’re staying in our local hotels.

Rico: [00:11:39] And they’re coming from all over the country.

Brian: [00:11:40] They’re all over the east coast, however far there. But they’re coming from all over the country. But again, they come to the city for a temporary period of time and they’re going to stay in our hotels. So we not only have permanent 1200 or more jobs at the average salary that they are, but then you’ve got all of this reoccurring temporary hotel activity of these surgeons coming into town to get trained. And yes, this was a very interesting project. And so the state of Georgia. said, receive, we’ll get back to you. And we started the process. And so the city, the county, and the state. Well, we first got together and we came up with an incentive package that we would offer back. And the incentive package was presented to Intuitive at an all day meeting amongst representatives from the city, the county, and the state, and from the department of economic development. And then Intuitive had some senior people fly in from Sunnyvale, led by their chief finance officer. And the purpose was to talk incentives. And what was strong enough? What was it? All that kind of stuff. And Deloitte, they had a number of representatives from Deloitte, from various offices in the country that concentrated on certain things and we presented ours. And, the mirror image of this happened in North Carolina.

Rico: [00:13:13] Sure. What were some of the major incentives? Or major incentives that the state provided and the county and the city?

Brian: [00:13:20] So I’ll start with the city. So we did a waiver with not to exceeds of  certain permit and inspection fees. So regulatory fees. So our incentives, especially since we don’t have property tax, city property tax, our incentives were on the regulatory side. And it was all in the form of what future revenue that would have been owed us or future permit fees, inspection fees that would have been owed us. And we waived it. I think we were do with the value of all the construction. We’re going to be due around $6 million in permitted inspection fees over the $600 million or so campus.

Rico: [00:14:07] That could take over several years, three to four years.

Brian: [00:14:10] That’s correct. I think 2024 is their date for them to be done with all this. So it would be over multiple years, obviously. And this was total, but we capped it at 3 million. So about half. And we waived stormwater user fees, which will be of course generated off of the impervious surface that they are going to have on their campus. And don’t let me forget about talking about trees and all that kind of stuff, how this will play out. But anyway, we waived those fees up to a certain maximum. I think it will essentially be, they won’t pay it for about three to four years and then they’ll start owing us that. That really was it. So it was all regulatory stuff. Oh, their business license. So based on their forecasted gross revenue, we waived their business license for again, we capped it. And of course our business license has a cap anyway, because if not, they would owe us a really significant amount of money every year. But I want to say, it’ll be to where they’ll go about three years before they would start owing us, just because it was a value. As soon as they hit that value, then that incentive goes away. Our total is, like three and a half million dollars.

Rico: [00:15:24] So it’s deferred to somewhat, to a degree not deferred payment, but they don’t start paying until maybe three years into their…

Brian: [00:15:32] That’s correct. It’s almost like Rico, you say, Hey, I want to think about doing something what’s in it for me? And like, you’re going to owe me money at some point Rico. I just won’t have you start paying it until the notional value of what you would have owed me gets to a certain point. And then that’s, I’m no longer going to waive that fee. Now you’ve got to start paying it forever. And we do that because if we got into a situation where somebody had an endless waiver of something, then you find that  you all of a sudden don’t have any revenue from business license because you waived it for everybody at some point. And two during the construction phase, there’s a lot of upfront costs. I think we’ve all moved. You know, oftentimes when you move and build new things there’s other costs on the company that are not born by the local jurisdiction. They’re going to relocate a couple hundred, I believe employees from California to here when they open their assembly operation here. They hope within the next four to six months. That’s the one thing they have started on the existing building, demoing the inside. And that’s costs, that relocation costs for their employees that they have. And so we generally try to give them incentives that are tied to their expansion relocation phase. And then once all the dust settles, when they’re operating normal, then they need to start paying normal. So that’s what we’re doing.

Rico: [00:17:01] Just so that people understand, the 1200 jobs that they’re looking to create here, a few of them 200, 300 may be coming relocated from the west coast it sounds. But the majority of the jobs they’re saying they’re creating, these jobs here in Peachtree Corners for employment, new employment.

Brian: [00:17:20] That’s correct. I don’t believe that the 1200 jobs that they’ve committed to create include either 180 or 120 people who currently work in that building or the relocated. They’re talking about creating 1200.

Rico: [00:17:37] Excellent. Thanks for the clarification that’s even better. And they also have to live somewhere and who knows? A bit of them might decide to live in Peachtree Corners.

Brian: [00:17:45] I hope more than just a bit because we all like to live close to where we work and keep our little world small. So I hope more than just a bit live here.

Rico: [00:17:53] Yeah, so do I. And the other part of it is, so then, I’m used to maybe a little bit more in the weeds than other people, but I think we all understand that cities that bid for these things the same way, some people may have seen Amazon and how some cities bidded for Amazon’s east coast facility. To a degree, cities, states, counties are all competing for these types of jobs. Part of that norm, when a big company comes in to say what are you going to give me if I’m going to relocate to here versus let’s say Peachtree City or somewhere else. So you have to be competitive.

Brian: [00:18:22] Rico I’m glad you brought that up. That is an important point to make. And that is, first of all, this is very normal. This is how these companies do it. There is a reason why Intuitive retained Deloitte for a very specific period of time, a large accounting firm, to represent them in their quest to play locations against each other and say which one of you are going to be the one that ultimately gets is the highest bidder. It happens in about every industry you can think of. The good thing for us is again, we are only waiving an amount of fees that have not been paid. We’re not counting on it. And it’s just for the expansion part itself. Once they start operating and these things are all capped and they move on, they’re going to be the largest employer in Peachtree Corners. Right now, Siemens is probably the largest. They’re approaching a thousand total.

Rico: [00:19:28] Wow. So when they’re finished within three to four years, that number may even go up even.

Brian: [00:19:33] That’s correct. So then the county threw in, the county abated countywide property taxes that they charge for these parcels. They waived that for a period of time. And they ultimately came out and had a very aggressive offer. Millions of dollars in property tax abatement on that. Again, a lot of this is also for them, future revenue they’re not counting on because this is partly based off of the enhanced value of the property after they put $600 million into it. Again, a very common. And then the state, which has a much broader menu of incentives to choose from, they did actual cash. Where they straight up gave them cash in some cases. And then there were a number of state programs that they are going to be provided to help out like job, what is it, the Georgia? It’s called the work ready? But anyway, Georgia, as long as there’s a work ready state, we have a program. I can’t remember the name of it. It’s for the state. And there’s a state agency specifically to work with some of the universities, as the case may be, or some of the technical colleges to specifically tailor a skill set, that’s being trained there to come in and fill positions. So the state committed to that. The state is involved in relocation services to help the existing ones do that. So there’s a number of those kinds of things that they did. And so between all of us, we came up with a package that we thought was pretty competitive. But we don’t know what North Carolina threw out. We never will know North Carolina threw out because Deloitte was handling and everybody signed nondisclosure agreements. What we do know though is this; they both were pretty competitive. One was not significantly more than the other. And so we believe that maybe it did come down to the intangibles. Both locations, Intuitive had an existing relationship and existing operation. A small one, albeit, but an existing one. The one thing we may have said that may have ultimately separated us from North Carolina was this. And this is a point that I was able to make when we had our full day presentation with city county state presenting to their leadership as to why Peachtree Corners should be the location. And that was about speed of permitting. Very important to them as to how fast we can move. Because again, they’re like, we are in a massive growth mode. We need to get this east coast operation up and running fast. We need to grow while we have the market share that we do. And so they asked us, really me, because the city is the local issuing authority. What can you do to ensure or assure us that you will be able to move as fast as we would like? And what I was able to say is, look, I can tell you how fast we will move. In any other location you’re looking at we’ll have to tell you how fast they will move. But I’m in a unique position where I can have one of your own people, and they have a project manager that was hired specifically to oversee this expansion, wherever it was. But he had been working with us on the current expansion, the temporary assembly that they’re setting up. So I said, look, what I can tell you is best told by your project manager. And that is not how fast I would move if you expand here is how fast the city has been moving to date on your current one. And then he said, I have to say that Brian’s right. They have met or exceeded every assurance they gave us on speed. We have never been waiting on them. They have moved beyond our expectations. Who knows? We’ll never know, but maybe that was enough for them. All things being equal, at least the city has proven that they can move fast. Maybe the North Carolina municipality would have too. But it doesn’t really matter because the governor just announced that they chose Peachtree Corners. And so we are excited to be able to be part of this. We’ve worked hard. My staff has worked hard over the last six months to get us to this position. Mayor and council have been very supportive of what we needed to do and provide when it comes to incentives. And also really just even in the processes of permitting and inspections. Part of this is they’ve been here for a number of years and we have never in any case even before we knew they were wanting to expand, never given them any reason to not like the community that they’re in. And they are excited about what we offer to their  employees that are going to be here. What we have, as it relates to housing and schools and quality of life amenities. And so they’re very proud to be here. And you know, this is one of the largest medical, economic development projects in the state of Georgia in a long time. And one of the largest in general. Just the average salary is the one that is a caker. These are high paying jobs, the average.

Rico: [00:25:35] There’s certainly a lot of medical and biomedical companies that are actually, people would be surprised I think, the amount of companies that are in Peachtree Corners. But also companies that are coming in or expanding here in the health industry. We’re not just, high technology, right? It’s bio diversity, if you will, in the business.

Brian: [00:25:55] One other important point to make along those lines, Rico is this: When their chief finance officer, when we had our full day presentation to them and he was there onsite, we had a lot of virtual attendees, but onsite he was a senior guy. He presented to the Georgia delegation about 45 minutes about the company before we started. And their culture and all this kind of stuff. And I was taking notes and it was interesting how he was bringing up stuff that we were very uniquely positioned to support and enhance. Without him ever knowing it until it was conveyed to him during or after our meeting. For instance, they want to make all their new buildings, net zero. To have a net zero carbon footprint. Well, who do you think is the agency association who certifies buildings as net zero?

Rico: [00:26:58] Isn’t that amazing?

Brian: [00:26:59] ASHRAE.

Rico: [00:27:00] Right, ASHRAE.

Brian: [00:27:00] That came here because of Curiosity Lab. Other things they were talking about, their research and development. They have a lot of research and development on new devices. And even some of the current stuff that they make have components and chip sets made by companies that are partners of Curiosity Lab. Bosch, Qualcomm, Cisco, things like that. That you’ve now got an immediate. Third point, very interested in international expansion. They really haven’t cracked. My calendar’s being monopolized right now by trade representatives, console generals, and others from different countries looking at Curiosity Lab as a pipeline, a conduit, a landing pad for companies that are coming here. Including we’ve talked before, we were identified by the French government of one of six locations in the US for them to be pushing technology companies from France as part of a program called La French Tech that they created. Curiosity Lab, Peachtree Corners, and Metro Atlanta, but we’re on the same list as New York City, Silicon Valley, Austin, Texas. These places, and then we get one of them and then as a result, the French American can chamber moved their offices out of the French consulate and they are moving it into the Curiosity Lab, the innovation center. So all these international connections we have because of Curiosity Lab. Well guess what? Intuitive is going to have a front row seat. They’re a quarter of a mile down the road from the Northern entrance of the track. Which is on Spalding also. As I was writing notes, I was like, I couldn’t have written this better. So I was able to tell him, hey, here are some things. And some of their other representatives, here’s some things that are not going to come out in your average pitch that you don’t realize exists here, just because of Curiosity Lab. So again, we’ll never know what pushed them over the edge, but those are all unique things that Curiosity Lab has done for generating activity. And this could be an example where we’re getting one of the largest medical expansion projects in Georgia. Maybe that’s what pushed them over the edge.

Rico: [00:29:26] And that’s why Governor Kemp will be doing that announcement or has done that announcement. And when a city gets that type of expansion, it becomes news. And also other companies start looking at that as well. Because then now that city, like Peachtree Corners is put on the map even further out there. All these things that are happening in the city or through the city because of Curiosity Lab, because of other things that the city has initiated, really is bringing job and economic impact to the city. Some prosperity because of that and things take time. I remember when Curiosity Lab started up, Prototype Prime, when that all started going and people were like, why are we doing this? And what’s going to come out of this? And it’s like, you know what? If Isabella didn’t fund Columbus to come to the new world, that would never have happened, right? You have to start somewhere. You take a step and you move. And you guys even realized and learned a few things. So you evolved and changed. And Curiosity Lab came out of that. So I’m impressed that the city still continues to be able to do what they’re doing. And we’re a small city with 44,000 people. We’re not a big city here.

Brian: [00:30:35] We are certainly punching outside of our weight class. There’s no doubt about it and we can’t do it without a lot of our private partners. But Rico, you have had a front row seat from the start. You have definitely seen it go from just an incubator, just early stage startups in the bottom floor of the old city hall.

Rico: [00:30:57] That’s right.

Brian: [00:30:58] Rented, leased space, to we own that building. And we have created a living laboratory for various things. And I know I beat the drum of Curiosity Lab merely because this magnet for activity that we created has a name. Other people have named things too at different times with different things. But I bring it up just so that the residents here are kept updated on the benefits that we derive from having a reason for certain companies to come and kick the tires here. And again, even if a group is just here for one day, they’re going to probably get hungry at lunch and they’re going to probably eat in our restaurants because they’re close. That sales tax that comes back to us through SPLOST. Hotel stays generate hotel-motel tax. And then you get a company like Intuitive. Now we’re talking about 1200 plus people who are going to be working here. And again, I would like to think that all of them are going to at least start looking as close to the building they’re going to work out of as they possibly can. This community sells itself. Curiosity Lab is an excuse to get people here, but once they’re here, you fall in love with it. And you’re like, you know what? Wow. So that’s what Curiosity Lab does is it’s almost like a resume to a degree. It’s what got people interested in the area in Peachtree Corners. And then it’s the interview when people come here and they see the community and everything, that is what sells it. So yeah, we’re pretty pleased so far.

Rico: [00:32:39] I think I’m a cheerleader, if you will, of what the city has done. Now some people might look at that and say, oh, you just believe everything the city does. And you know what the fact of the matter is, I like what the city has done. And I might have a debate about that bridge, the pedestrian bridge and the size, whatever. I did disagree on certain things.

Brian: [00:32:59] Rico you have not always agreed with everything that we have done, that’s for sure.

Rico: [00:33:04] No I have not. Rezonings, there’s been rezonings that I totally disagree on or conditions on zonings that I would argue for. That I’ve argued even with you privately on. That there should be certain conditions in certain rezonings because of the nature of the beast. But as much as I’m a cheerleader of what the city does, it is because I believe that what the city does is doing phenomenal work. And some people may say it’s getting too dense. There’s too many people now. Housing is expensive that is the nature of the beast. When a city becomes popular and people want to be there, it does happen. Now we have to look at that. We’ve discussed that about affordable housing because not everyone can afford a half a million dollar home, a $400,000 home, or even a $350,000 home, if you can find it in Peachtree Corners. And the schools are great. Everything’s working well that way. More things that are going to probably be coming. I mean, Wesleyan’s expanding, Cornerstone’s expanding campuses. There are more kids in Norcross and Pinckneyville. My kids came through this, through the whole system, through the IB program. We were talking about how kids can’t write any more just before the show. And how in this city, because of the programs we have here, my kids can write. They tell me now my daughter, who’s doing a master’s program. She’s in a group study within this program. She’s the only one that knows how to write it seems. And the other ones don’t and they’re in a master’s program. And I swear it’s because of the IB program here. So we have education, we have economy.  We are beginning to see more entertainment. Yes, COVID has stifled it a bit, but we’re hopefully coming out of that. Hopefully the variant is not going to curtail some of that. But it is what it is. And I think the city has even reacted well to some of these things. There’s just a lot of stuff going on and we just have to be aware that patience sometimes is needed on some things. We may be back to masks at some point. But that’s okay. We have to go where we have to go. We’re slowly running out of time though. So I do want to hit quickly on something else that I want to talk about. And that is Olli 2.0. Along with Navea, which is a French company, I believe. Two of three companies in the world that have these types of vehicles running in live environments. Where we’re going to see for autonomous vehicles back on the track it seems. Doing work, researching. Can you give us, quickly about what’s going on there?  And I understand there’s a lot of attention being done, even at the secretary level, cabinet level of the federal government, there would be a visitor or two coming soon. So tell us a little bit about what’s going on with Curiosity Lab.

Brian: [00:35:34] Yes. So again, curiosity lab continues to outperform our expectations. We were approached with a proposal by a consortium of companies led by an autonomous vehicle operator company that operates autonomous vehicles as shuttles in different places like Yellowstone National Park, Lake Nona down in Florida, places like that. And the proposal was to use Curiosity Lab for a test. At least the first of its kind in the US if not the world is to take two different autonomous vehicle manufacturers. In this case, local motors that makes the Olli shuttle and the Naveah, a French company. And to have them operate on the test track at the same time. First time that’s been done. And then use our connected vehicle infrastructure, the city street of the future. You can talk to everything out there and test and enhance their ability to talk to each other across multiple manufacturers. To talk to cars that possess in the car, the DSRC unit, so that they can talk. And to do so over a 5g wireless environment as well. So we have a number of partners in this. The two manufacturers of it are certainly a part of it Beep the autonomous vehicle shuttle operator, T-Mobile is a big partner. And then we have a couple other companies that haven’t quite signed. So I don’t want to say it, but some other big name companies that are potentially in talks of doing something to wrap a shuttle, meaning you’ll know that they’re part of this. If there’s a bunch of branding on the outside of this. And for a year, we will have four autonomous shuttles operating on the track. And while they are doing testing on connected vehicles, they still are fully operating autonomous shuttles. So the public could get on them at any time as well. A lot of people before who would ride them sometimes for functional reasons, the Marriott, certainly, and the two other hotels on there certainly had people use it to get from there to Anderby Brewing and back. But the shuttles are again, going to be learning things to make them better. Olli is the name people remember. We had two Olli shuttles the first time they were here and those shuttles taught Local Motors, the manufacturer, some lessons. And they went back and created Olli 2.0 and that’s what’s here. And some of the lessons that we’ve talked about. We have a 13% grade hill here. And when the shuttles were hitting the hill, the LIDAR on the first one, thought it was something in the way because the hill was so steep. So it would jerk until it cleared. And they didn’t realize they had to recalibrate that to take into account steep hills. And they were here in the fall and leaves were covering some of the lines in the roads. And they were having a hard time with that and they did some things to help with that. And so that’s how this technology gets enhanced. It gets the kinks get worked out. And it has certainly got the attention of people at the federal level. Including there is a good chance that one of the members of the presidential cabinet will be here soon to take a look at what we’ve got going on because word has gotten out what Curiosity Lab is. And again, that kind of visibility doesn’t hurt when we’re talking to somebody who may be coming here permanently. You know, say Hey, we’ve had these people here or these companies are our partners and we got this type of testing going on. And while that may be some temporary activity, oftentimes like with Intuitive, it turns into permanent.

Rico: [00:39:42] Yeah, it doesn’t hurt having attention from the federal government in that way. I think people will notice that. Yes. But all that news generating does help. It does help with putting the city in the spotlight. That along with the V2X Live, that’s going to be the conference that’s going to be happening in October, I think. All great stuff. And this certainly overshadows tree removal, but just to end the show, let’s also talk just quickly about the the tree removal that’s happening because this way people know about  what’s happening with that.

Brian: [00:40:17] You know, we like to talk about all this kind of fun stuff and sexy stuff, if you will. Sometimes the activities and operations of a city are more mundane, but not necessarily any less important. But there is certainly right now, some people in the city have already been affected and will still be affected by Georgia power is conducting an enhanced vegetation management operation here. Enhanced meaning it is more aggressive, if you will, of pruning trees back then they typically are. The reason of this was due to some concerns raised by people in the community about power loss in the area. And it being lost more than it should. And so, there was a series of events and meetings and whatever that took place. Some involving public service commissioners and so on and so forth. And Georgia power ultimately said, okay, we’re going to come in and we’re going to be much more aggressive than we normally are. The fine line Georgia power has to walk is this line between, it’s almost akin to a, not in my backyard type of thing. Where everybody is in favor of trees being pruned back as far as possible from power lines, unless it happens to be the trees in their yard. And that’s not to say that they’re wrong. That’s just to say that it does change sometimes how certain areas of the city look after Georgia power comes through. And a lot of it is Georgia power is not, most of the trees, I don’t know of any trees so far that are growing right underneath a power line, those have generally been removed. It’s usually trees that are outside of a power line, but their limbs are such that if the limb fell, it would hit the power line. So what happens is when they remove the limb or limbs, sometimes there’s so many of them and you have to remove it at the lateral, at the trunk. You can’t just cut a little bit. That the arborists are coming in and saying, look, you removed so much of those limbs, that the tree is going to die. And so then Georgia power makes a call. We need to remove the whole tree because if not the tree is either going to fall on our power lines or we were involved in creating what would ultimately be a hazard, if it fell the other way on a house or whatever. And so, there are certainly some instances where it is significant. There’s some places where there’s a lot of either limbs, which affects shade, and some trees. And I want those who are affected to understand why Georgia power was put in this position and for them to try to be as understanding as possible. But by all means, if they have concerns or they want more information, Georgia power does have some senior people and an arborist on staff, a staffed arborist overseeing this, and he is available to meet with anybody at any time on site and talk tree by tree as to why Georgia power made that. I know this because I’ve been at some of these with him and talking about why they’re doing it. And in a few cases, there have been some adjustments they’ve made based on the residents comments. But, I just wanted people to know that this was not a city operation. This is a Georgia power one doing just in a more aggressive way, trying to trim back risks to their power lines to try to decrease the amount of power outages due to some sort of tree or limb falling on their power lines 

Rico: [00:44:15] Are they tagging trees before they cut them? Are they marking them? How can a resident respond back? How is the communication set up? How can they respond?

Brian: [00:44:24] A number of ways. So first the city is putting out information weekly from Georgia power, where we’re conveying to people where the next week’s operations will be. Any time, if you can get on push notifications from the city, we don’t do it a lot so you don’t get inundated with a lot of crap you don’t care about. But get the city app. It’ll push you information, sign up for communication from the city, but that’s one way. Georgia power is also knocking on every door of houses that they’re doing and putting door hangers on properties that they’re going to do something. They do not want to be in a position where the first time somebody sees is when the tree is being cut or is already cut down. And we have had one or two instances where that’s happened. In one of them I know where the people were like, you didn’t try to contact me, I would have known and they’re like we left a voicemail. We knocked on your door twice. And then we did a door hanger and they’re like, no, you didn’t. And then they were literally standing in the front yard and they’re like, it’s still hanging on your front door. They’re like, oh, I never go out my front door. And that’s why. And I get it, but I’m just saying, don’t do things like that at least for a time period. But it’s in very targeted areas of the city. This is not citywide. This is based on basically LIDAR mapping that Georgia power did by putting up a laser radar underneath the power line, up into the tree canopy. And it came back and showed them where the risk of tree foliage falling on that was at a certain point. And that is what’s driving them. They’re not doing this indiscriminately.

Rico: [00:46:11] And certainly that helps because there are tree limbs that I see, when we’ve had power loss or I’ve seen through the city after a storm, you would see tree limbs falling. That doesn’t take into account necessarily tree that may be 20 feet off that will fall. We, I think it was last year with Pinckneyville Middle School where a tree essentially fell on the lines and yanked the cable essentially off the, I think it was off the transformer. And that was down for two days, three days, two and a half days, something like that. It was down for a decent amount of time because they needed someone out there to safely do the things they need to do before they removed the tree even.

Brian: [00:46:48] Well Rico, it was just in middle of June. We had a tree that was in somebody’s backyard. I’m talking about probably 40 feet, 50 feet, off the right of way. Not just in the pavement, but way into somebody’s yard. And the whole tree fell at the roots. Probably got wet, the time the whole tree fell and went over a line there on East Jones bridge. And a lot of people back in the River Field, Wentworth areas back there randomly lost power. And everybody, including myself, but everybody was like, whoa, here we go again. There was nothing that anybody could have done to prevent it because it was way into somebody’s yard and the whole tree just tipped over and fell. And that is always going to be a risk. But yeah, Georgia power is in the position.

Rico: [00:47:41] At least they’re minimizing what may happen. But you’re right. PIne trees that are 50 feet tall, 60 feet tall when it rains as much as it does because they’re short roots, they may fall, and that’s just going to happen unfortunately. Now listen if an arborist went out to check those trees, they probably might say, you know, that tree may come down at some point. But even then, I don’t even know if they would be able to say that right?

Brian: [00:48:05] No, it’s an inexact to try to estimate if a tree’s going, unless you have real evidence. So yeah.

Rico: [00:48:14] We’ve covered a lot. We’ve taken longer than I expected on this podcast, but we’ve covered a lot of really great stuff. And especially two major items and certainly the first major item with Intuitive. Because that’s just a really big deal for the city having that. So I’m excited to continue to see things going on like that. Businesses are opening up. New businesses are starting. More new businesses then I thought in different parts of the city are opening up. And just to point out Stage restaurant just opened in the old Noble Finn.

Brian: [00:48:45] Stäge Rico. Come on now.

Rico: [00:48:49] They should spell it differently or put a little…

Brian: [00:48:53] They put the two little dots over the ‘A’.

Rico: [00:48:54] Does it? I kept thinking stage. Stäge, okay. No wonder. HWA is opening up soon. They just got their license, liquor license approved. So hopefully there’ll be opening up soon. So a lot of things happening in the city. Brian, I appreciate your time as always.

Brian: [00:49:14] Thanks for having me.

Rico: [00:49:16] And thank you all for listening and taking the time to tune in. Thank you.

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ASHRAE: Changing the value of a building and setting standards for the world



ASHRAE, and the engineers that make up its society, are responsible for setting the standard of building in the United States and many countries. Today’s guest, Ginger Scoggins, is the current Treasurer and served as chair for the Building Headquarters Ad Hoc Committee at ASHRAE. In addition to her work there, she is also president and co-founder of Engineered Designs, Inc. In this episode, Karl and Rico talk with Ginger about the new ASHRAE Headquarters in Peachtree Corners and this society’s amazing work.

ASHRAE is a global professional society committed to serving humanity by advancing the arts and sciences of heating, ventilation, air conditioning, refrigeration, and their allied fields.

Related Links

ASHRAE Website: https://www.ASHRAE.org
Ginger’s Email: GScoggins@EngineeredDesigns.com

“It’s just hyper important, especially right now in this world we’re in, to make sure that the standards that people need to adhere to when they’re designing buildings really help the occupants and the planet. And that we’re not contributing to the issues that we see today in terms of global warming and all of that.”

Ginger Scoggins

Podcast transcript:

[00:00:30] Karl: Hello. Today we’re speaking with ASHRAE and talking about advances in building technologies here in Peachtree Corners. Our guest will be Ginger Scoggins, ASHRAE Treasurer and Fellow, and the chair of the ASHRAE Building Headquarters Ad Hoc committee. And president of Engineered Designs Inc. I’d like to welcome everybody to the Capitalist Sage Podcast. We’re here to bring you advice and tips from seasoned pros and experts to help you improve your business. I’m Karl Barham with Transworld business advisors. And my co-host is Rico Figliolini with Mighty Rockets, Digital Marketing, and the publisher of the Peachtree Corners Magazine Rico, how are you doing today?

[00:01:08] Rico: Good, Karl. How are you? Ginger, good to see you.

[00:01:11] Ginger: Good to see you both.

[00:01:13] Karl: Excellent. Why don’t you tell us about our sponsor today?

[00:01:17] Rico: Sure. Peachtree Corners Magazine, which I publish six times a year is the publication that covers Peachtree Corners, not only in print, but online. And we cover it through podcasts, like the Capitalist Sage, Peachtree Corners Life, and even Prime Lunchtime with City Manager. So check us out, go to LivinginPeachtreeCorners.com and you’ll find out more information.

[00:01:37] Karl: Thank you so much for that. It is a pleasure to welcome Ginger Scoggins a member of ASHRAE and the current Treasurer. She’s also a Fellow with ASHRAE and the Chair of the building HQ Ad Hoc Committee for ASHRAE that helped build and design the new ASHRAE headquarters right here in Peachtree Corners. She’s also the President of Engineered Designs Inc. out of Raleigh, North Carolina. And a lifelong supporter of engineering buildings and design on the mechanical side. Hi, Ginger, how are you doing today?

[00:02:13] Ginger: Good. How are you Karl?

[00:02:15] Karl: I’m doing fabulous. As we get started in talking about the new headquarters. I’d probably like to just start with us learning a little bit about you and your journey in the business that you’re doing and with ASHRAE.

[00:02:27] Ginger: Sure. So I am a consulting engineer. I’m a mechanical engineer by training. Actually from Tennessee. I went to an engineering school called Tennessee Tech University. I’ve got about 30 years experience designing buildings. Started right out of college and worked for a consulting firm here in Raleigh. Worked for a couple of different firms for the first 10 years and then actually went out on my own about 24 years ago. So I’ve been running this business for 24 years, designing buildings in and around North Carolina, South Carolina area. So focusing on different types of buildings, we do a lot of university work. We do a lot of mission critical work, which is telecommunications or data center type work. And I’ve been an ASHRAE volunteer for almost that entire 30 years. Which ASHRAE is a volunteer driven organization. We have 56,000 plus members across the world. We work on designing and building sustainable buildings, promoting the industry. We write the standards for our industry. Most of the work I do is based on ASHRAE standards. We do write the standards that drive our industry and drive the building code when it comes to energy and indoor air quality. Which is especially important right now with the pandemic going on. The ASHRAE epidemic task force has been hugely instrumental in setting some standards and what to do with buildings. All different types of buildings in terms of outside air quality, how to deal with the pandemic, filtration levels. All of those items are hugely important right now. And always, but especially right now. And so ASHRAE works with all those standards and helps set the stage for how people like me do our job of designing healthy buildings.

[00:04:17] Karl: That’s fabulous. I noticed for folks that don’t know, ASHRAE stands for American Society of Heating, Refrigerating, Air Conditioning Engineer. Did I get that right?

[00:04:27] Ginger: You got that perfect.

[00:04:29] Karl: Oh, excellent. Why don’t you tell folks a little bit about the mission around ASHRAE? Why does such an organization exist and how does it help, you know, people, investors, building owners, build more sustainable, safe, and comfortable buildings.

[00:04:43] Ginger: Well, sure. So ASHRAE whether, you know or don’t know, most states in the country have an energy code. And that energy code is based on ASHRAE standard 90.1 in most instances. And so those standards like 90.1 and ASHRAE 62, which is an outside air requirement standard. Those help us make sure we’re building buildings that are healthy for the people in the building, as well as to conserve energy use, to help our planet. ASHRAE is working really hard right now in the decarbonisation world. And we have a task force for building decarbonisation. On how we can build buildings that use less carbon, reduce our carbon footprint. It’s just hyper important, especially right now in this world we’re in, to make sure that the standards that people need to adhere to when they’re designing buildings really help the occupants and the planet. And that we’re not contributing to the issues that we see today in terms of global warming and all of that.

[00:05:53] Rico: Yeah. It’s interesting. I think that the standards that you set don’t just affect, like what some people might think is just air conditioning, heating. It probably affects the standards of windows that are being installed in buildings, the double pane, the gas, installation of those. There’s a variety of industries actually that ASHRAE effects.

[00:06:12] Ginger: Well, exactly right. And when you’re designing a building, and it’s not just mechanical engineers, such as myself, but architects, electrical engineers. You know, ASHRAE sets those levels of the lighting, light power density that you can put in buildings so you know how much energy you’re using for those. We also set what the U values should be for your walls and your roof in order to meet the energy code and to be 90.1 compliant. In terms of the entire building, ASHRAE standard 90.1 is in our industry, what we use to make sure we have a building that is compliant with energy code.

[00:06:47] Karl: I’ve seen data that shows when you think about energy use in the country, buildings account for anywhere from 20 to 35% of energy use. People think of cars and pollution, or they might think of just industry. But if you think about how many commercial and residential buildings there are in the country, it’s a large contributor of energy use that affects the energy grid itself, as well as global warming. And I know that ASHRAE has been leading the challenge in education for engineers today and in the future on how to be more efficient in their designs, and were able to incorporate that right here in Peachtree Corners and in the headquarter building. How did that come about and how did you get involved in bringing some of that technology to the headquarter building in Peachtree Corners?

[00:07:42] Ginger: So we were actually down the road a little bit in Brookhaven, And had renovated our building in 2010 to be a lead platinum building. And were very happy there, but we started getting surrounded by the new CHOA campus that has gone there. And that’s taken over that entire block if not more right there.

[00:08:06] Karl: Children’s Hospital of Atlanta?

[00:08:08] Ginger: Children’s Hospital of Atlanta, yeah. So as ASHRAE does with anything, we set up a committee. And I was actually an ASHRAE Vice President at the time and was asked to lead that committee to study whether we should stay where we were or move. And wether we should build or renovate or lease. So we took about nine months, I think, to evaluate our building, see what we could get for it, whether it was worth moving. Should we lease, should we buy, should we renovate? We were very fortunate in that process that CHOA offered to buy our building and they offered to buy it at a very good rate. So we made that decision to move. And they also, as part of that deal, allowed us to stay there for a little bit over a year while we figured out where we were going to go and got that under control. Which was great. So we stayed there and we looked at a couple of different places for leasing and decided leasing wasn’t really us. We like to own our buildings because we stay in a long place for a long time. We had been in that building, I think since the 1980s. So we discussed building new and felt like really for our constituents, it’s better if we showed, we walked the walk. And we renovated because there’s been a lot of analysis that at least 50% of the building stock that’s going to be in use in 2050 has already been built. And much of it is not performing in a very energy efficient manner. So we wanted to make sure that we could show that you could renovate an older building to a net zero condition, a net zero energy condition. Which was our goal once we made that decision. So we looked around quite a bit. We found this building in Peachtree Corners, which if you saw it before and saw it after it looks a lot different, right?

[00:09:59] Rico: By a lot, yes.

[00:10:02] Ginger: So we took on a big challenge with this building. It was actually more of a challenge than we thought it was going to be when we started. But we ended up getting it done on time, even with the pandemic, which was a big concern during construction. Because we had a finite time to get out of our existing building before they threw us out. We ended up making it. We had a good team, a good design team and a good construction team. So we got it done.

[00:10:24] Karl: I’m curious about one thing. So you mentioned with the former building that you were able to sell it at a good price. Do you think being lead certified and some of the improvements you made in building, how does that impact the value of a building in your experience?

[00:10:41] Ginger: Well, if we’re selling it to a normal client, not like a CHOA, a normal client. I would think it would be of huge value, the energy efficiency of the building. The fact that the energy costs were lower than a normal building of its size and type. We had a geothermal system, we had a lot in that building. I think CHOA really wanted the land more than the building. Although my understanding is they’re going to use it for some office space for a short term duration, I’m not sure for how long. So they really were more interested in the land than the building. But the building itself had it been a normal client, would have I think because of its condition, done very well on its own even without CHOA involved.

[00:11:22] Karl: So many energy savings. If you think about operating costs of the building, when they value most buildings, it’s a function of profit. Net operating profit. And if you can lower the operating cost of a building that translates directly into increasing the value. Is that some of the economic analysis building owners make when choosing to implement technologies in buildings like the headquarters?

[00:11:47] Ginger: Absolutely. I think more informed owners that intend to own their buildings for long periods of time, always would like a life cycle cost analysis done. Which is what engineers in my role do a lot. To determine if I put this extra feature into my building to save energy, how long will it take before this extra feature pays me back? Is it a five-year payback, a ten-year payback? Like I said, we do a lot of university projects, and universities in particular keep their buildings forever. So you know, what you put in up front dictates when they’re going to see that payback. So lifecycle cost analysis is a huge component of making decisions on a lot of things in the building. The envelope, the lighting system, obviously the HVAC system, all of that. You can model through a lifecycle cost analysis.

[00:12:44] Rico: Also I would think that unlike homes, you know, if I’m only living in this house for another five years. Do I replace the windows? Or not replace the windows, for example. Different measurement, right on that? But when it comes to business, there are write-offs, there are government incentives also that are provided to businesses to be able to go down this road, to encourage that.

[00:13:03] Ginger: You know, I don’t do a lot of work with the government incentive aspect of it. I know that for ASHRAE we’re a nonprofit. So nonprofits don’t get the tax benefit of for-profit companies. So that was not a factor in our decision-making process. But I could see that a factor in others.

[00:13:20] Rico: I think that’s something that has to be added to the equation for a business. That’s looking to do this.

[00:13:26] Karl: Well, I’m wondering. So if we were talking to a business, a future building owner, or some current one, and they’re going through that decision process on renovating a building, building new, et cetera. What are some of the blind spots you see a lot of the less informed building owners? When it comes to making these kind of investments, are there areas that they’re not considering that you’d recommend them learning about and seeking out ASHRAE and other organizations to get educated on it?

[00:13:57] Ginger: Absolutely. I mean, I own a building myself. I own the building that my company is in. I think one of the things that you see when we do projects for one-off, if you will, building owners, is that it tends to be a more short term look at first costs, right? There’s not really a huge discussion on payback or long-term costs or energy savings. And I would think if they could engage their design team to at least have those conversations about what can we do to save energy? What can we do to reduce our carbon footprint? Then I think they would hear from their design teams, if they’re an informed design team, that there are a lot of options out there that you could do with very little cost impact that would save you a lot of money and headaches over the long term and be better for the environment. You know, I think you said earlier that buildings are 40% of energy use. Also buildings or the building industry is close to 40% of the carbon footprint in the world. And it’s getting worse with more developing countries. So the building industry plays a big part in the whole climate change situation.

[00:15:09] Karl: Well, I’m curious about some features in the headquarters that were incorporated. Can you share an example or two of some technologies that was featured in the buildings and how they help the building, for example?

[00:15:23] Ginger: Sure. So we have I don’t know if you’ve seen it right, we have our photovoltaic system that’s going on the roof and near the side of the building. We’re waiting on approval from Georgia power to make that live so we can create hopefully as much energy as we use, which will be fantastic. So we can verify that we are going to be in that zero operation, because that’s our goal. Net zero energy is when you create as much energy as you use. And so you’re net zero in terms of that situation. So that’s our goal. We’re waiting to find out if we’re going to make that we’re going to do a measurement and verification phase once we get that live so we can model that. So that’s outside the building. Inside the building, we have, and I don’t want to get into too detailed of a mechanical discussion here. But we got a pretty elaborate mechanical system with radiant panels and outdoor air units on the roof. We are once through air on our air side. So we don’t have a lot of concerns with recirculation of air for pandemic reasons. And we did that before the pandemic. So it luckily played out to help us a lot. When the pandemic started and we also have ceiling fans. So one of the really cool energy saving items is that you can raise your space temperature if you’ve got some air movement, by at least a couple of degrees. So we have some ceiling fans throughout the entire space that just keep the air moving. So with the design conditions for our space was at 78 degrees interior, which some people might say well, that’s way too hot. And others would be like, that’s way too cold. But if you keep the air moving, you can keep it a couple of degrees warmer, which really does help save the energy.

[00:17:07] Karl: And when you’re looking at implementing these kind of designs and so on, I know technology plays a role in capturing data, using data to make decisions. How are you integrating some of the sensor technologies and controller technologies and all of that in managing buildings and having it available to occupants, possibly, to control or monitor what’s going on.

[00:17:33] Ginger: So we have, as you can probably imagine, and I apologize somebody’s desperately trying to get in touch with me, it’s actually somebody from ASHRAE. So we have an amazing amount of analytics going on in our building. So we have at least three, if not four, different analytical programs running that are looking at fault issues in our systems, energy use in our systems. And a lot of these have been donated by different companies as a test prototype kind of situation. We have an amazingly smart building, when it comes to analytics. And we’re just getting that data in so we can really evaluate how our building is performing. And all of this is going to be open on our website because we want to be a living lab when it comes to building analytics, building operation, energy use, and all of that information.

[00:18:35] Rico: Someone can actually go to your website, see, verify. Transparently see all the data?

[00:18:42] Ginger: That’s the goal. So we’ll have a dashboard, it’s being constructed right now where you’ll be able to see how much energy we’re using, how much we’re producing, what our net zero, net positive net negative situation is throughout the year, how the systems are doing. We also have a digital twin that we’re building that is also a donated service that will be on the website where you can go through the building. You can look at the systems and how they’re operating. So it’s going to be a very transparent situation when we get all of this done.

[00:19:16] Rico: Do you think that at some point, everyone talks about AI, machine AI, the learning, the ability to let that system, that process work. Do you think that’s going to be part of this at some point?

[00:19:28] Ginger: So in terms of robots running around, probably not. In terms of the operation of the system, we already have a digital control system that’s controlling our mechanical. That’s pretty common in most large buildings these days where you have web based interface where you can see, you know, if you’ve got an alarm or if you’ve got something not working right and all of that. So that’s already, that’s a pretty common situation on larger buildings these days. Even on my small building, we have digital control. We can see if a tenant is hot or a tenant is cold, what’s going on with the system. So that’s pretty common. What’s interesting these days is that a lot of like lighting systems are going to start going power over ethernet. So instead of being 120 volt power, they’d be controlled basically through a digital control system on a low voltage basis. And if you think about now you can get plug in led lights that just have a USB plugin that are incredibly bright. And so I think that’s going to, you’re going to see more and more of that kind of growth in our industry, if you will. And inner connection between HVAC and lighting and occupancy. And walk in a room and the system comes on and the lights come on and that is already in the headquarters building.

[00:20:50] Rico: And I would think even with the process that you’re doing and all the data you’re collecting and the virtual walkthrough of the building, that at some point I can plug in my building and let’s say adjust based on your elements of your modules and say, can my building be modernized? Can it be LED certified? Can it be more, can it be net zero? That would be an interesting aspect to be able to even see that happen.

[00:21:17] Karl: I see the foundation of this digital connected building. I know some years ago I read and learned about, I think it’s called the Edge building in the Netherlands. A building that implements a lot of these technologies you’re talking about, but one of the interesting things is once you bring the lighting systems digitally you could incorporate sensors into the lights. Since lights are going to be where people are, you can use that to make adjustments. And then even with the ethernet run applications throughout the building for people. So I saw one example of something that looked like a Roomba that at the end of the day goes around and cleans the floors, which probably saves a little bit on cleaning labor, on one aspect of cleaning, and they go back home before people come in in the morning and you get a cleaner building. They’re doing things like that. They had another app where they can locate people in buildings. So if someone came to deliver food for lunch, instead of you having to go down an elevator and go to the door and pick up the food, the food can be delivered to that location, whether it’s by a person or by robotics. So you could see how buildings are the kind of backbone or the infrastructure of this more digitally engaged future.

[00:22:34] Rico: And I believe also the data you’re collecting, depending on where the sun is on the glass wall, depending on how many times the doors are opened to the outside and all that.

[00:22:45] Ginger: Yeah. The internet of things is pretty amazing in terms of what you can and can’t do. We evaluated a lot of different options for this building. And a lot of it came down to financial at the end because the opportunities are endless, right? There’s programs that we were looking at that, once you’re in the building, you can track where anybody is at any given time. So if any employee, if you need to find them, they’re in a conference room. If they’ve got their computer with them or their cell phone with them, you’ll know what conference room they’re in. And, while they’re in the building at any time and same thing for visitors. Visitor badges and they have, barcodes and once a visitor comes in and they get their badge, then you know where they are at any point of time in the building. So it’s all available now. It comes down to a matter of finances sometimes as to what you can and can’t do.

[00:23:30] Karl: Yeah. But being here in Peachtree Corners and you’re in Technology Park specifically, the Curiosity Lab, there’s great synergies of being in this high-technology environment, that’s bringing outdoor IOT, internet of things, solutions. Driverless shuttles and scooters that people could take back and forth to the building. And as the building stock here in Technology Park starts to turn over, there’s lots of opportunity to collaborate with those building owners. Sometimes they just need to be inspired. And taking a trip over and seeing some of the technology, the data, might inspire a building owner when they’re making that decision to renovate and implement some more of these technologies.

[00:24:15] Ginger: Absolutely. That’s our goal, is to try to show that you can take an older building and make it energy efficient and make it a place that you want to be. And if you are in Peachtree Corners, ASHRAE’s building once the pandemic is over, is a great place to go tour and see what you can do with an older building and make it a newer situation. And also we have screens throughout the building where you can see the dashboard, you can see how we’re producing energy, what we’re using in terms of energy. So it’s gonna be pretty transparent, both on the web and also in person.

[00:24:54] Rico: That’s cool.

[00:24:54] Karl: I’m curious about just, speaking to the future generation of engineers. If you were to speak to young high school students or college students that are thinking about the many careers and fields they can go into, what would you tell them about engineering and building engineering, consulting engineering that they may not have thought of as a career?

[00:25:17] Ginger: I think that’s a challenge in our industry because engineers graduating these days have a multitude of opportunities in a multitude of different environments. And the building sciences is one of those opportunities that I think gets overlooked sometimes. Because I don’t know how many people out there know that to build these buildings, not only do you need an architect, but you need a whole host of engineers. You’ve got civil, environmental, structural, electrical mechanical. And all of them work together to build a building that people want to be in. And that, meet all the goals and the codes and all the requirements. My kids give me a hard time because every time we walk into a building, I’m always pointing out all the HVAC systems and the lighting systems and everything in them. And they’re like, we don’t really care, because people don’t. It’s just there. They think that it just shows up, but it doesn’t show up. It takes a lot of engineers that are making it happen. So I think if I could talk to high school students and tell them how exciting this industry is, because it really is a very interesting industry when it comes to different opportunities. I can be designing a library one day and a data center the next. It just, it doesn’t get boring in that aspect for me. And I’ve been doing it for 30 years. So I think that if people could see the different aspects of what it takes to do what we do, I think they would be a lot more interested going into our field and then maybe they would be, if they didn’t know.

[00:26:49] Rico: I think you’re right. I think that if kids understood that aspect, that there’s a challenge every day, depending on the environment you’re in. And it could be a hospital, could be a research, medical research facility that has to be done in a certain way. It could even be the space station, it could be any of those things. It’s all environmentally driven. So they can be doing space engineering at some point, dealing with the insides of the environment of those places. We’re moving decades into the future and they have to start somewhere.

[00:27:21] Ginger: I like to say that, you can build the prettiest building on the planet, but unless you have lighting or HVAC or plumbing in it, you’re not going to get much use out of it. It is vitally important that we do what we do. And you talk about hospitals. My daughter is a emergency room nurse and she talks about their negative pressure rooms. And I’m like, you know who writes the standards for those right? ASHRAE.

[00:27:43] Karl: There you go. I’ll tell you here in Peachtree Corners with at least seven or eight schools, Paul Duke, just down the road, Wesleyan and Norcross high and the middle schools. Here’s an opportunity to get kids more exposure because in our backyard here, we’ve got one of the premier organizations that set the standards and walks the walk when it comes to building a sustainable building. To help us with not just emissions, but global warming and all of these other things. So hopefully there’s partnerships that can continue to start inspiring the next generation of engineers and architects in our country. I’d be curious about just things that you have going on. So for ASHRAE is there things that are coming up or how do people learn more about ASHRAE and some of the projects that they work on?

[00:28:32] Ginger: So we have a very involved website that people can go to ASHRAE.org that talks about what our mission is and what our vision is and what we’re doing. And we have in that website, connections to our decarbonisation task force and our epidemic task force, dIfferent areas that ASHRAE is working in at the moment. We have our big conference coming up in Las Vegas in January. It’s our big show all the vendors for all the different types of equipment that our industry uses show at that show. It’s a huge aspect of what we do and it’s every year and it’s in conjunction with AHRI which is the heating refrigerating Institute. So that is a big component of what we do every year. And this year coming up in January in Las Vegas is at the end of January. There’s just all kinds of information out there on the website that you could spend days going through to understand that all of the fingers in all the pies that ASHRAE has.

[00:29:32] Karl: And Ginger, if someone wanted to reach out to you for your services and just learning more about what you do, what’s the best way to reach you?

[00:29:41] Ginger: Always the best way to reach me is email, which is a GScoggins@EngineeredDesigns.com in Raleigh. Or obviously LinkedIn, I think everybody’s on LinkedIn these days. So, I am as well.

[00:29:54] Karl: I just want to thank you so much for being a guest today on the Capitalist Sage Podcast. Ginger Scoggins again, ASHRAE Treasurer and Chair of the Building HQ Ad Hoc community to help build and design and build this beautiful building here in Peachtree Corners. I want to thank you for sharing with us about the organization. And how building owners can leap forward into the future and implement technology both big and small to help improve the environment for the occupants. There’s operating costs as well as help the environment in general. So thank you for that.

[00:30:29] Ginger: Thank you.

[00:30:30] Karl: I’d like to also thank Atlanta Tech Park for hosting the Capitalist Sage Podcast. We get to do it virtually and as well as in person. And we really appreciate that. And I want to also introduce myself again, Karl Barham with Transworld Business Advisors of Atlanta Peachtree. Our business advisors are able to help you consult on, whether you’re looking to improve and grow your business, whether you’re looking to exit your business. Feel free to schedule a consultation. Like ginger, I can be reached by email KBarham@TWorld.com or you can visit our website, www.TWorld.com/AtlantaPeachtree. Rico, why don’t you tell us a little bit about what you’ve got going on.

[00:31:08] Rico: Sure. So I publish Peachtree Corners Magazine. That’s one of the things I do. I’m also a creative director for a couple of other publications. And I operate Mighty Rockets, which is basically a company that does social media marketing and online content management. So if you need to reach me, you can go on LinkedIn. I’m the only Rico Figliolini I think that’s listed, to spell it Figliolini and you’ll find me. Actually, if you Google me, probably like page one or something on there. Check me out if you need any work in the digital environment or video. Actually we’re beginning to do some mini documentaries on some businesses. Check me out and go online. Otherwise go to LivingInPeachtreeCorners.com and find out more about the city and now Capitalist Sage Podcast.

[00:31:55] Karl: Absolutely. Follow us on Facebook and on LinkedIn and on YouTube, as well as all of the other iTunes and other streaming platforms. Leave us a comment, like us, subscribe, and you’ll hear more about some of the other guests we have coming in in the near future. So thank you all for joining the Capitalist Sage podcast and I look forward to sharing some more business leaders and business owners out there telling a little bit about what they do. Take care.

[00:32:23] Rico: Thanks you ginger.

[00:32:24] Ginger: Thanks guys.

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SWGC Volunteer Day: Gwinnett Junior Achievement Discovery Center



October 13. 8 a.m-2:30 p.m.

Location: Discovery Center at Gwinnett
1333 Old Norcross Road
Lawrenceville, GA

Volunteer with The Southwest Gwinnett Chamber!  Help support Summerour Middle School for a JA BIZTOWN DAY at the Junior Achievement Discovery Center of Georgia!

JA BizTown creates an opportunity for students to interact within a simulated economy and take on the role of citizen, consumer and employee. During the visit to JA BizTown, students work in teams of 6-8 to manage their assigned business with the goal of generating a profit. Students also earn paychecks that they can use to purchase products and services from the different stores to practice basic personal financial management. 

Volunteer Role: Volunteers serve as business consultants for the day, coaching a group of students through the decisions and tasks they need to complete to successfully operate their businesses.


8:00 AM: Volunteer Check-in Begins (Coffee provided!)
8:30 AM: Volunteer Welcome, Tour & Training 
10:00 AM: Student Arrival
11:30 AM: Lunch Break (Chicken sandwich, side and water provided!)
2:30 PM: Student Departure
2:45 PM: Volunteer Departure

To RegisterClick here and you will be directed to the registration page where you can enter your contact information and submit your registration directly to Junior Achievement of Georgia. Thank you for your support of Junior Achievement and the students of Gwinnett County Public Schools!

Help inspire Gwinnett’s youth today! Make an individual donation to JA!

Watch the JA Discovery Center Video to see it in action

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Behind the Scenes Tour with CarMax- Southwest Gwinnett Chamber Event



Carmax Peachtree Corners Ribbon Cutting

September 21, 8:30 A.M- 9:30 P.M.

In 2019 CarMax opened its first free-standing Customer Experience Center here in Peachtree Corners.  The center offers a new concept in purchasing a car, completely from home, in-store, or a combination.  The company employs 300 in the three-story building (5707 Peachtree Pkwy.) to assist car buyers in finding their ideal vehicle, navigate financing, and provide other specialized assistance. 

Come join in on a behind-the-scenes tour with Regional Vice President, Bryant Spann.  There is no charge to participate, but spaces are limited, so registration is required.  

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